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AutoPuzzles Today => Features, Stories and Photos => Topic started by: Iluvatar on January 22, 2014, 08:41:34 AM
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Hi folk!
Let's start a very huge puzzle...
Please read carefully the following instruction!
You see a picture of a car at a motor show... it looks to be a repost, and indeed it is, but... it's only the first of a lot of cars...
At first, identify the car (easy) and the place and the year... this is maybe the easiest point of the puzzle...
When the first car is found you can start to guess about the cars near to the previous one (in that motor show). "Near" means in front, beside, behind, etc... in short: there shouldn't be other cars between the former and the new car you try to identify (and they shouldn't be too far)...
When you correctly identify you can go ahead with a new car, but near to one of the cars you have found.
You'll recieve +1 points for every correct and complete guess.
You can also try to guess a car near to a car found by someone else... but in this case you'll recieve -1 points if the guess is wrong!
This last rule does not apply if there are no free cars near to the cars you have previously identified.
You cannot have guess at cars far from any identified car.
Two very important rules!
- One car for one post, no multiple guesses!!
- When you identify a car you have to wait until someone else find another car before posting your next guess.
If you don't follow these two rules, the first time you'll recieve -1 points, and the second you are out of this puzzle! ...so... please... follow these rules!! ;)
Two other less important rules
- You have to prove your guess, because I'm not aware of all the car of this motor show... ;)
- I set a temporary limit of 20 cars identified by a single person, to leave the puzzle open to more people... when you identify your 20th car please stop guessing! In the future I'll decide if this limit should be removed...
Points will be added at the end of the puzzle. I won't remove points... if you have a negative score you'll recieve 0 points...
I hope you will enjoy this puzzle... please let me know if the rules are not clear...
Good luck! :)
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A place for the points...
CARS
1 - Monviso Fiat 1100 "Stella Filante" - kwgibbs
2 - Ghia Fiat 1900A cabriolet - mekubb
3 - Monviso Fiat 1100 cabriolet - Wendax
4 - Ghia Fiat 8V "Supersonic" - Joćo
5 - Monviso Fiat 1100 coupé - targhediferro
6 - Ghia Abarth-Alfa Romeo 2000 - Joćo
7 - Ghia De Soto "Adventurer" - Wendax
8 - Ghia Chrysler Special - Joćo
9 - Fiat 1900A - targhediferro
10 - Fiat 1900A GranLuce - Ehhxekt
11 - Lancia Aurelia B12 - targhediferro
12 - Pinin Farina Bentley R-Type Continental - Joćo
13 - Lancia Appia - targhediferro
14 - Ghia Fiat 1100 coupé - Joćo
15 - Lancia Aurelia B20 GT - targhediferro
16 - Fiat 1100 Familiare - Joćo
17 - Fiat 1100/103 TV - targhediferro
18 - Fiat Turbina - Joćo
19 - Ghia-Serie Speciali Fiat 1100 "Quotidiana" - targhediferro
20 - Pinin Farina Lancia Aurelia PF200 spider - Ehhxekt
21 - Touring Pegaso - Joćo
22 - Monviso Fiat 1100 coupé - targhediferro
23 - Fiat 8V berlinetta (fiberglass body) - Joćo
24 - Ferrari 250 Europa coupé Pinin Farina - Ehhxekt
25 - Peugeot 203 - Joćo
26 - Ferrari 375 MM Pinin Farina - Ehhxekt
27 - Ferrari 375 America Vignale - Joćo
28 - Fissore Fiat 1100 TV - targhediferro
29 - Ghia-Serie Speciali FIat 1100 "Tutta luce" - Ehhxekt
30 - Fissore Fiat 1100 coupé - Joćo
31 - Fissore Fiat 1100 familiare - targhediferro
32 - Bertone Alfa Romeo BAT7 - Joćo
33 - Bertone Fiat 1100 Cheetah - targhediferro
34 - Bertone Arnolt-Bristol - Joćo
35 - Bertone Dodge Zeder - targhediferro
36 - Bertone Fiat 1100 berlinetta - mekubb
37 - Bertone Fiat 1100 Derby - Joćo
38 - Touring Alfa Romeo 1900 Super Sprint - targhediferro
39 - DKW F89L Bus - Ehhxekt
40 - Francis Lombardi Fiat 1100 - targhediferro
41 - Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint - Joćo
42 - Francis Lombardi Fiat 1400 Ministeriale - targhediferro
43 - Panhard Dyna Z - Joćo
44 - DKW Universal - Ehhxekt
45 - Lancia Aurelia B20 GT - Joćo
46 - Alfa Romeo Romeo - targhediferro
47 - Frua Fiat 1100 TV - Joćo
48 - Alfa Romeo 1900 Super - targhediferro
49 - Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Touring - Ehhxekt
50 - Frua Ermini 1100 - SACO
51 - Lancia Aurelia B12 - targhediferro
52 - IAME Justicialista sedan - targhediferro
53 - Colli Fiat 1100 - SACO
54 - Moretti 1200 - Ehhxekt
55 - IAME Justicialista sport - targhediferro
56 - Moretti 1200 Sport - Ehhxekt
57 - Zagato Fiat 1100 - Wendax
58 - Accossato Fiat 1100 - SACO
59 - Zagato Fiat 8V - Wendax / Zagato Fiat 1100 - Joćo
60 - Siata 208S - Joćo
61 - Moretti pullman - SACO
62 - Siata Mitzi - Ehhxekt
63 - ISO Isetta - Joćo
64 - Maserati A6G 2000 Frua - SACO
65 - Maserati A6GCS Pinin Farina - Ehhxekt
66 - Allemano Fiat 1100 coupé - SACO
67 - Moretti 750 monoposto - Wendax
68 - Allemano Fiat 1100 cabriolet - SACO
69 - Maserati A6GCS - SACO
70 - Allemano Fiat 1100 coupé - Ehhxekt
71 - ISO Isocarro - SACO
72 - ISO Isetta - Wendax
73 - Viotti Fiat 1100 giardinetta - Ehhxekt
74 - Viotti Fiat 1100 giardinetta - SACO
75 - Giaur 750 - Ehhxekt
76 - Viotti Fiat 1100 giardinetta - SACO
77 - Ghia Serie Speciali Fiat 1400D commerciale - Paul Jaray
78 - Viotti Fiat 1100 giardinetta - SACO
79 - Ghia Serie Speciali Fiat 1100 commerciale - Paul Jaray
80 - Alfa Romeo Romeo - SACO
81 - Touring Pegaso - Paul Jaray
82 - Lancia Appia - Wendax
83 - Nardi-Crosley 750 Motto - Ehhxekt
84 - Moretti 750 Alger-Le Cap - Wendax
85 - Simca Aronde Grand Large - Ehhxekt
86 - Moretti 750 Alger-Le Cap - Wendax
87 - Vignale Fiat 1900 - Paul Jaray
88 - Pinin Farina Alfa Romeo 1900 - SACO
89 - Vignale Fiat 1100 TV - Paul Jaray
90 - Alfa Romeo 1900 Super - Ehhxekt
91 - Vignale Fiat 1100 TV - Paul Jaray
92 - Stanguellini 750 Sport bialbero - Ehhxekt
93 - Opel Kapitän - Paul Jaray
94 - Opel Olympia Rekord - Wendax
95 - Mercedes-Benz 220 - point not assigned
96 - Mercedes-Benz 300S cabriolet - Paul Jaray
97 - Cadillac Eldorado - Ehhxekt
98 - Mercedes-Benz 220 cabriolet - Wendax
99 - Mercedes-Benz 300 cabriolet - Paul Jaray
100 - Fiat 1400A - SACO
101 - Fiat 1100 Familiare - targhediferro
102 - Simca Aronde Chatelaine Break - Joćo
103 - Monterosa Fiat 1100 - targhediferro
104 - Cadillac Coupé De Ville - Joćo
105 - Alfa Romeo 1900C SS Touring - targhediferro
106 - Siata Fiat 1100 Vignale - Joćo
107 - Lancia Aurelia B12 - targhediferro
108 - Fiat 1100 "De Luxe" Ghia Serie Speciali - Joćo
109 - Fiat 1100 "Quotidiana" "De Luxe" Ghia Serie Speciali - targhediferro
110 - Touring Alfa Romeo 1900 Super Sprint - Joćo
111 - Mercedes-Benz 180 - targhediferro
POINTS
Joćo +26
targhediferro +25
Ehhxekt +20
SACO +15-2
Wendax +10-1
Paul Jaray +9
mekubb +2
kwgibbs +1
MAP
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Be careful! Rules are little changed from the previous version of the puzzle!
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I hope not to have scared you with all these rules... :)
You can try at least to identify the car in the picture... it's easy... and when and where it was showed at a motor show...
Let's go experts!! ;)
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yes,I,ll at least try that,is this a monviso stella filanto 1954?
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yes,I,ll at least try that,is this a monviso stella filanto 1954?
Yes! Locked for you to tell me the motor show in which it's showed in the puzzle picture...
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was it the Turin show of 1955?
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was it the Turin show of 1955?
Turin is correct... but why 1955 for a 1954 car?? ???
Locked again for you to tell me the right year... ;)
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so it was 1954? its the only year I can find for this car,sorry !
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so it was 1954? its the only year I can find for this car,sorry !
Yes... it's the 1954 Turin Motor Show! The first point will be your!
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And now... the puzzle can start... who can identify one of the cars near the Stella Filante??
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was it the Ghia/monviso 1100?
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was it the Ghia/monviso 1100?
You have to be more specific and you have to prove what you are saying... thanks... ;)
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I,ll keep trying just the same.
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It seems like this was the very last monviso,1100 coupe fiat,before Ghia took them in?
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It seems like this was the very last monviso,1100 coupe fiat,before Ghia took them in?
Yes, 1954 was the last year for Monviso, but there were already a collaboration with Ghia in that year...
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The front of car #1 - Monviso Fiat 1100 Stella Filante
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was it the monviso fiat 1100 cabriolet,racy star next to the stella filante monviso?
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was it the monviso fiat 1100 cabriolet,racy star next to the stella filante monviso?
I'm not sure to understand what you mean... "racy star" means "stella filante" if Google translator is correct... so do you mean there is a Stella Filante cabriolet next to the Stella Filante showed in the first picture?
Can you prove it in some way??
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... and... for the other experts... the puzzle is not locked!! Where are you??
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Last call for Experts... I'll move this puzzle to Pros soon...
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Could the next car be a Fiat 1900 A Cabriolet by Ghia, also at the 1954 Turin show ?
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Could the next car be a Fiat 1900 A Cabriolet by Ghia, also at the 1954 Turin show ?
That's quite a strange question... I think you have not understood how the puzzle works... maybe with a little drawing...
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So... possible replies to this puzzle can be...
"the car on the right of the Stella Filante is a .............."
"the dark coupé in the first picture can be a ..........." (but for this one I need at least a picture of the car which fit the car in the picture to confirm your identification...)
"the cabriolet in the background of the first picture is a ............... because .............. "
"I have found another picture (attached) with the Stella Filante and I see there is a ......... behind it"...
Ok?? ;)
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Could the next car be a Fiat 1900 A Cabriolet by Ghia, also at the 1954 Turin show ?
Nevertheless you are indeed on a right track... but what it's missing it's the link between this car and the Stella Filante... were they close? If so... can you in some way prove it?
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I believe that the convertible at the top of the photo is the Fiat 1900 A cabriolet by Ghia. The connection might be that Monviso was bought by Ghia in 1955.
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I believe that the convertible at the top of the photo is the Fiat 1900 A cabriolet by Ghia. The connection might be that Monviso was bought by Ghia in 1955.
Yes! You are indeed right, the cabriolet in the background of the first picture is the same car of the picture you posted and it's the Ghia Fiat 1900A cabriolet.
Ghia and Monviso stands were close because there was already a connection between the two coachbuilders.
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Now you can go on with a car near to this last one (the only one you have found)... and remember...
- When you identify a car you have to wait until someone else find another car before posting your next guess.
- You have to prove your guess, because I'm not aware of all the car of this motor show... ;)
You can also try to guess a car near to a car found by someone else... but in this case you'll recieve -1 points if the guess is wrong!
This last rule does not apply if there are no free cars near to the cars you have previously identified.
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Map added in the second post!!
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=27246.msg310520#msg310520 (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=27246.msg310520#msg310520)
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Pros' time...
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The car left to the Stella Filante (see first picture below) is a Monviso Fiat 1100 Cabriolet, the convertible version of the Monviso Fiat 1100 Coupé pictured at the bottom of this post.
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The car left to the Stella Filante (see first picture below) is a Monviso Fiat 1100 Cabriolet, the convertible version of the Monviso Fiat 1100 Coupé pictured at the bottom of this post.
Oh yes!
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The dark Coupé (left) it“s a 1954 Fiat 8V Supersonic by Ghia
In this picture also appear the stella Filante and the Ghia Fiat Cabriolet.
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The dark Coupé (left) it“s a 1954 Fiat 8V Supersonic by Ghia
In this picture also appear the stella Filante and the Ghia Fiat Cabriolet.
Correct!
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The car left to the Stella Filante (see first picture below) is a Monviso Fiat 1100 Cabriolet, the convertible version of the Monviso Fiat 1100 Coupé pictured at the bottom of this post.
I found this one also, but was not allowed to respond twice :'(.....
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The car left to the Stella Filante (see first picture below) is a Monviso Fiat 1100 Cabriolet, the convertible version of the Monviso Fiat 1100 Coupé pictured at the bottom of this post.
I found this one also, but was not allowed to respond twice :'(.....
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New cars are waiting for you!!
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Nice puzzle Iluvatar!. May I ask you something? why 1954?
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Sorry I removed my post because I've understood I said a nonsense. ;D
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I think that the dark car , of which we can see just the front far left the Fiat 1900 cabriolet Ghia, could be a Fiat 1100/103 Monviso coupč.
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Nice puzzle Iluvatar!. May I ask you something? why 1954?
Why 1954?? Because I had enough material to start this puzzle... ;)
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I think that the dark car , of which we can see just the front far left the Fiat 1900 cabriolet Ghia, could be a Fiat 1100/103 Monviso coupč.
Yes, it is!
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My next car : Ghia Stand, 1954 Abarth-Alfa Romeo 2000 Coupe.
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My next car : Ghia Stand, 1954 Abarth-Alfa Romeo 2000 Coupe.
Indeed this car was at 1954 Turin Motor Show... but can you locate it? Was it near to one of the other cars already identified??
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My next car : Ghia Stand, 1954 Abarth-Alfa Romeo 2000 Coupe.
Indeed this car was at 1954 Turin Motor Show... but can you locate it? Was it near to one of the other cars already identified??
Yes. Fiat 8V -- Abarth-Alfa
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My next car : Ghia Stand, 1954 Abarth-Alfa Romeo 2000 Coupe.
Indeed this car was at 1954 Turin Motor Show... but can you locate it? Was it near to one of the other cars already identified??
Yes. Fiat 8V -- Abarth-Alfa
Correct!
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The red car next to the Abarth-Alfa in Joao's picture is the Ghia De Soto Adventurer.
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And behind it, another Chrysler product : 1954 Chrysler Special by Ghia also with Exner.
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The red car next to the Abarth-Alfa in Joao's picture is the Ghia De Soto Adventurer.
And behind it, another Chrysler product : 1954 Chrysler Special by Ghia also with Exner.
Both correct!
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The light car with the dark roof to the right of the Chrysler Special in Joao's picture looks like a regular Fiat 1100-103 to me.
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Assuming the picture posted by Joao actually shows in the red circle the Alfa Romeo Ghia, I think the car before it is a Fiat 1900 berlina.
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The light car with the dark roof to the right of the Chrysler Special in Joao's picture looks like a regular Fiat 1100-103 to me.
I'm sorry to say that you lost one point... according to the following rule:
You can also try to guess a car near to a car found by someone else... but in this case you'll recieve -1 points if the guess is wrong!
The car is not near to a car you have identify (it's only near to the Chrysler Special found by Joćo), it's not a regular 1100/103 (so the guess is wrong), and even doesn't looks like a regular 1100/103... that front grille was never fitted on regular 1100/103...
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Assuming the picture posted by Joao actually shows in the red circle the Alfa Romeo Ghia, I think the car before it is a Fiat 1900 berlina.
Do you mean this one??
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A nice picture of the De Soto Adventurer! :)
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Assuming the picture posted by Joao actually shows in the red circle the Alfa Romeo Ghia, I think the car before it is a Fiat 1900 berlina.
Do you mean this one??
Yes that one, precisely a Fiat 1900 A.
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A very exciting puzzle! Still staying on the wide-angle shot, I think I can make out a Fiat 1900 A Grand Vue, standing diagonally in front of the Abarth-Alfa and behind the Fiat spotted by Targhediferro, the three cars forming something of a triangle.
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Assuming the picture posted by Joao actually shows in the red circle the Alfa Romeo Ghia, I think the car before it is a Fiat 1900 berlina.
Do you mean this one??
Yes that one, precisely a Fiat 1900 A.
Indeed it is!
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As Ehhxect has given another answer I suppose I'm allowed to post another guess, but I apologize if I shouldn't.
The car on the left of the picture showing the Fiat 1900A, (I could say the car you'd have on your right being at the wheel of the 1900A) is a Lancia Aurelia B12.
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A very exciting puzzle! Still staying on the wide-angle shot, I think I can make out a Fiat 1900 A Grand Vue, standing diagonally in front of the Abarth-Alfa and behind the Fiat spotted by Targhediferro, the three cars forming something of a triangle.
And Fiat 1900A GranLuce is correct too!
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My next car : 1954 Bentley R-Type by Pininfarina #BC49C, Pininfarina Stand.
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As Ehhxect has given another answer I suppose I'm allowed to post another guess, but I apologize if I shouldn't.
The car on the left of the picture showing the Fiat 1900A, (I could say the car you'd have on your right being at the wheel of the 1900A) is a Lancia Aurelia B12.
It is... but please next time wait for my reply before posting another guess... ;)
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My next car : 1954 Bentley R-Type by Pininfarina #BC49C, Pininfarina Stand.
Another correct guess!
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I feel as I'm stealing candies to children...in front of the B12 we have a Lancia Appia 1 serie.
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I feel as I'm stealing candies to children...in front of the B12 we have a Lancia Appia 1 serie.
Don't worry... this is just the beginning... ;D
Appia is obviously right!
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The last Ghia bodied car : A 1954 Fiat 1100-103TV Sport.
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The last Ghia bodied car : A 1954 Fiat 1100-103TV Sport.
Not exactly the last Ghia bodied car... but right...
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Tail to tail with the Appia, in first position, we have an Aurelia B20 GT 4*serie
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Not exactly the last Ghia bodied car... but right...
I see... ;)
This stand : 1954 Fiat 1100 Familiare (Station Wagon).
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Tail to tail with the Appia, in first position, we have an Aurelia B20 GT 4*serie
Not exactly the last Ghia bodied car... but right...
I see... ;)
This stand : 1954 Fiat 1100 Familiare (Station Wagon).
Both correct.
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Fiat 1100/103 TV?
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Yes!
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Next car : Ferrari Stand, 1954 Ferrari 375 America Coupé by Vignale #0337AL.
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Next car : Ferrari Stand, 1954 Ferrari 375 America Coupé by Vignale #0337AL.
... :scratch:
You cannot have guess at cars far from any identified car.
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Sorry, MPC.
I guess I'll have to change my plan : Fiat Turbina.
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Sorry, MPC.
I guess I'll have to change my plan : Fiat Turbina.
Yes!!
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Where are all the other pros?? (and experts and rookies too!!)
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I suppose that this Fiat 1100 /103 in the background of Ghia Stand is a 1100/103 "quotidiana" by Ghia, as the ones pictured in this photos.
The black and white picture car is for sure a Ghia (the TV version) because I made a research at ACI, but I actually have not yet discovered why it has no gutter profile!
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I suppose that this Fiat 1100 /103 in the background of Ghia Stand is a 1100/103 "quotidiana" by Ghia, as the ones pictured in this photos.
The black and white picture car is for sure a Ghia (the TV version) because I made a research at ACI, but I actually have not yet discovered why it has no gutter profile!
Great! I didn't know it was still alive!
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I guess the dark cabriolet next to the Pininfarina Bentley spotted by Joćo is a Lancia Aurelia PF200. The photo below was taken at the show; a young Sergio Pininfarina is presenting the car to actor-singer Renato Rascel.
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Pegaso Stand : 1954 Berlineta Touring chassis #0154.
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I guess the dark cabriolet next to the Pininfarina Bentley spotted by Joćo is a Lancia Aurelia PF200. The photo below was taken at the show; a young Sergio Pininfarina is presenting the car to actor-singer Renato Rascel.
Although the car in the movie is not so clear... you should be right...
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Pegaso Stand : 1954 Berlineta Touring chassis #0154.
I really don't know how you can say it's chassis 0154... but it's a Touring Pegaso...
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I though that the 1100 Monviso cabriolet and the coupč one were side by side, but watching with more attention the foreground of the big picture with Lancia's stand, I understand that on the left side of the Monviso coupč (on the right for us watchin), there is another car with a different grill. As that car is for sure in Monviso stand, I think it must be a 1100 familiare Monviso; the grill looks the same.
If I understood the rules correctly, as the Monviso coupč was identified by me, if me guess is wrong I will not lose any point, or not?
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I though that the 1100 Monviso cabriolet and the coupč one were side by side, but watching with more attention the foreground of the big picture with Lancia's stand, I understand that on the left side of the Monviso coupč (on the right for us watchin), there is another car with a different grill. As that car is for sure in Monviso stand, I think it must be a 1100 familiare Monviso; the grill looks the same.
If I understood the rules correctly, as the Monviso coupč was identified by me, if me guess is wrong I will not lose any point, or not?
Yes... you don't lose a point... but the car is not a Familiare...
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Is it another coupe' with this different grille?
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Is it another coupe' with this different grille?
Yes, it's a coupé... unluckly I have no pictures, but the list of cars showed by Monviso includes the Stella Filante, the cabriolet and two coupé (all on Fiat 1100)
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Fiat Turbina - Fiat 8V Berlinetta with fiberglass coachwork :
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Fiat Turbina - Fiat 8V Berlinetta with fiberglass coachwork :
Yes!
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According to a period report, there were three Ferraris on display at the show, and one of them was a Pinin Farina 250 Europa Coupé. In the picture below it can be spotted on the left of the trio. And the link: the dark car standing on the revolving stage of the Lancia stand appears to be the Aurelia B12 listed as #11.
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Yes! The Ferrari on the left is the 250 Europa, bodied by Pinin Farina.
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1954 Peugeot 203 < Ferrari 250GT
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It should be correct... although I cannot confirm it...
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The center car on the Ferrari stand, standing next to the 250 Europa, was a 375 Mille Miglia Pinin Farina Berlinetta.
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The center car on the Ferrari stand, standing next to the 250 Europa, was a 375 Mille Miglia Pinin Farina Berlinetta.
Yes!
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Next car : Ferrari Stand, 1954 Ferrari 375 America Coupé by Vignale #0337AL.
Now my reply is valid ;)
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When you sit at the yellow Ferrari 375 MM, and you stare at your left, you can see a red Fiat 1100/103 TV Fissore.
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Next car : Ferrari Stand, 1954 Ferrari 375 America Coupé by Vignale #0337AL.
Now my reply is valid ;)
;)
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When you sit at the yellow Ferrari 375 MM, and you stare at your left, you can see a red Fiat 1100/103 TV Fissore.
:nod:
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only three pros are interested to this puzzle?? ???
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Im sure others will join soon... this puzzle is fun! Id jump back to Ghias stand the nice red/black pillarless coupé in the background is another Fiat Nuova 1100.
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Im sure others will join soon... this puzzle is fun! Id jump back to Ghias stand the nice red/black pillarless coupé in the background is another Fiat Nuova 1100.
Yes... but locked (only this car, not the puzzle) for you to come out with the name of this specific version... ;)
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And another 1100 Coupé by the same coachbuilder :
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And the station wagon...Fiat 1100/103 Familiare Fissore
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I love this game but I have not the time to play it...
I'd like to know, If I tell you what car is the red one from Joćo's (and Targhediferro's) pic I get 1 point?
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And the station wagon...Fiat 1100/103 Familiare Fissore
And another 1100 Coupé by the same coachbuilder :
Both correct!
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I love this game but I have not the time to play it...
I'd like to know, If I tell you what car is the red one from Joćo's (and Targhediferro's) pic I get 1 point?
I'm sorry... it was already identified by targhediferro... :-\
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I'll wait...I have some pics of a different area. :)
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Im sure others will join soon... this puzzle is fun! Id jump back to Ghias stand the nice red/black pillarless coupé in the background is another Fiat Nuova 1100.
Yes... but locked (only this car, not the puzzle) for you to come out with the name of this specific version... ;)
I guess it might be something unique like Charmant, Minnie, Orchidea, or Rendez-Vous coachbuilt Fiats were sometimes given model names apparently with female customers in mind, and this little hardtop certainly looks chic but have no idea what that name could be... Or was it called simply 1100-103 TV Gran Luce? If not, please unlock the question; other than it is a Nuova Millecento with Ghia body, I actually know nothing about this car.
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I’m sure others will join soon... this puzzle is fun! I’d jump back to Ghia’s stand – the nice red/black pillarless coupé in the background is another Fiat Nuova 1100.
Yes... but locked (only this car, not the puzzle) for you to come out with the name of this specific version... ;)
I guess it might be something unique like Charmant, Minnie, Orchidea, or Rendez-Vous – coachbuilt Fiats were sometimes given model names apparently with female customers in mind, and this little hardtop certainly looks chic – but have no idea what that name could be... Or was it called simply 1100-103 TV Gran Luce? If not, please unlock the question; other than it is a Nuova Millecento with Ghia body, I actually know nothing about this car.
I know it's locked...I will not give any answer, also because I don't know the right one. I spent a lot of time researching that car, before Ehhxekt gave his answer, and I found nothing. I suppose it will be a hard nut. May I ask if it is a Ghia, or perhaps something build by Ghia but designed by someone else?
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Next famous car! Bertone Stand : 1954 Alfa Romeo BAT 7.
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I think that the little spider we can see at the left of the Alfa Romeo 1900 Bat 7, is the Spider Bertone (built both on Fiat 1100/103 Tv base and on Stanguellini 1100 base).
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Darn, too late again!
So just two more pics from me:
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Behind it, an Arnolt-Bristol Bolide by Bertone :
;)
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And on the left the Dodge Zeder Bertone.
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The little coupé behind the Dodge Zeder is the Fiat Stanguellini Berlinetta by Bertone I believe
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And the convertible right behind the Arnolt Bristol could that be a MG-Arnolt Convertible ?
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And the convertible right behind the Arnolt Bristol could that be a MG-Arnolt Convertible ?
I think it isn't allowed to give two answers...you have to wait that another puzzler gives his guess before trying again. ;)
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Im sure others will join soon... this puzzle is fun! Id jump back to Ghias stand the nice red/black pillarless coupé in the background is another Fiat Nuova 1100.
Yes... but locked (only this car, not the puzzle) for you to come out with the name of this specific version... ;)
I guess it might be something unique like Charmant, Minnie, Orchidea, or Rendez-Vous coachbuilt Fiats were sometimes given model names apparently with female customers in mind, and this little hardtop certainly looks chic but have no idea what that name could be... Or was it called simply 1100-103 TV Gran Luce? If not, please unlock the question; other than it is a Nuova Millecento with Ghia body, I actually know nothing about this car.
The name is similar to "Gran Luce"... with a different word... "Xxxxx Luce"
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I know it's locked...I will not give any answer, also because I don't know the right one. I spent a lot of time researching that car, before Ehhxekt gave his answer, and I found nothing. I suppose it will be a hard nut. May I ask if it is a Ghia, or perhaps something build by Ghia but designed by someone else?
Yes, as already said by Ehhxeht it's a Ghia Fiat 1100 with a special "granluce"-style body...
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Please... ;)
As Ehhxect has given another answer I suppose I'm allowed to post another guess, but I apologize if I shouldn't.
The car on the left of the picture showing the Fiat 1900A, (I could say the car you'd have on your right being at the wheel of the 1900A) is a Lancia Aurelia B12.
It is... but please next time wait for my reply before posting another guess... ;)
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I think that the little spider we can see at the left of the Alfa Romeo 1900 Bat 7, is the Spider Bertone (built both on Fiat 1100/103 Tv base and on Stanguellini 1100 base).
Can you give me the specific name of this version? "Xxxxxxx"
(locked for you)
Please finish this before posting other guesses...
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The little coupé behind the Dodge Zeder is the Fiat Stanguellini Berlinetta by Bertone I believe
Based on what Fiat model? (locked for you)
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The little coupé behind the Dodge Zeder is the Fiat Stanguellini Berlinetta by Bertone I believe
Based on what Fiat model? (locked for you)
Fiat 1100 ?
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The little coupé behind the Dodge Zeder is the Fiat Stanguellini Berlinetta by Bertone I believe
Based on what Fiat model? (locked for you)
Fiat 1100 ?
Yes!
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That Cabriolet it“s a 1954 Fiat 1100TV Derby Cabriolet by Bertone.
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That Cabriolet it“s a 1954 Fiat 1100TV Derby Cabriolet by Bertone.
Yes!
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I think that the little spider we can see at the left of the Alfa Romeo 1900 Bat 7, is the Spider Bertone (built both on Fiat 1100/103 Tv base and on Stanguellini 1100 base).
Can you give me the specific name of this version? "Xxxxxxx"
(locked for you)
Please finish this before posting other guesses...
The only name I found is Special, so Bertone Spider Special (on Fiat 1100/103 Tv or Stanguellini 1100, but I suppose the Turin car was a Fiat). I can add that the code number of these Bertone car was 57xx, 2 spider and 9 coupes were built from 1953 to 1956.
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Im sure others will join soon... this puzzle is fun! Id jump back to Ghias stand the nice red/black pillarless coupé in the background is another Fiat Nuova 1100.
Yes... but locked (only this car, not the puzzle) for you to come out with the name of this specific version... ;)
I guess it might be something unique like Charmant, Minnie, Orchidea, or Rendez-Vous coachbuilt Fiats were sometimes given model names apparently with female customers in mind, and this little hardtop certainly looks chic but have no idea what that name could be... Or was it called simply 1100-103 TV Gran Luce? If not, please unlock the question; other than it is a Nuova Millecento with Ghia body, I actually know nothing about this car.
The name is similar to "Gran Luce"... with a different word... "Xxxxx Luce"
So the missing part of the name is a five-letter Italian adjective, like, say, "Bella" is that correct?
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A Fiat giardinetta 1100 Fissore in front of the Alfa Bat7 ?
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A Fiat giardinetta 1100 Fissore in front of the Alfa Bat7 ?
Yes... but this one should be the same identified by targhediferro (car #31)
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So the missing part of the name is a five-letter Italian adjective, like, say, "Bella" is that correct?
Not exactly an adjective... but the structure of the word is almost the same... (consonat-vocal-double consonat-vocal...) ;)
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I think that the little spider we can see at the left of the Alfa Romeo 1900 Bat 7, is the Spider Bertone (built both on Fiat 1100/103 Tv base and on Stanguellini 1100 base).
Can you give me the specific name of this version? "Xxxxxxx"
(locked for you)
Please finish this before posting other guesses...
The only name I found is Special, so Bertone Spider Special (on Fiat 1100/103 Tv or Stanguellini 1100, but I suppose the Turin car was a Fiat). I can add that the code number of these Bertone car was 57xx, 2 spider and 9 coupes were built from 1953 to 1956.
It had a specific name... it's in english... (if this can help you...)
but don't worry... I already consider this car asfound by you... but you have to give me the full name before going on
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A new map for you!! ::)
(http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=27246.0;attach=74053;image)
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I think that the little spider we can see at the left of the Alfa Romeo 1900 Bat 7, is the Spider Bertone (built both on Fiat 1100/103 Tv base and on Stanguellini 1100 base).
Can you give me the specific name of this version? "Xxxxxxx"
(locked for you)
Please finish this before posting other guesses...
The only name I found is Special, so Bertone Spider Special (on Fiat 1100/103 Tv or Stanguellini 1100, but I suppose the Turin car was a Fiat). I can add that the code number of these Bertone car was 57xx, 2 spider and 9 coupes were built from 1953 to 1956.
It had a specific name... it's in english... (if this can help you...)
but don't worry... I already consider this car asfound by you... but you have to give me the full name before going on
Please, unlock and if someone knows this name, give him the point.
I prefer to go otherwhere: behind the Monviso Stella Filante, I think we find a Touring Alfa Romeo 1900 Super Sprint.
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Next to Bat 7 ,perhaps area Maserati with an A6G Allemano ?
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So the missing part of the name is a five-letter Italian adjective, like, say, "Bella" is that correct?
Not exactly an adjective... but the structure of the word is almost the same... (consonat-vocal-double consonat-vocal...) ;)
Thanks for the clues, you are really generous... Could the name be Tutta Luce, then?
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I think that the little spider we can see at the left of the Alfa Romeo 1900 Bat 7, is the Spider Bertone (built both on Fiat 1100/103 Tv base and on Stanguellini 1100 base).
Can you give me the specific name of this version? "Xxxxxxx"
(locked for you)
Please finish this before posting other guesses...
The only name I found is Special, so Bertone Spider Special (on Fiat 1100/103 Tv or Stanguellini 1100, but I suppose the Turin car was a Fiat). I can add that the code number of these Bertone car was 57xx, 2 spider and 9 coupes were built from 1953 to 1956.
It had a specific name... it's in english... (if this can help you...)
but don't worry... I already consider this car asfound by you... but you have to give me the full name before going on
Please, unlock and if someone knows this name, give him the point.
I prefer to go otherwhere: behind the Monviso Stella Filante, I think we find a Touring Alfa Romeo 1900 Super Sprint.
I'm sorry to say it, but I ask you the name before going on... ;) ... but I'll help you... it's a name of an animal... in english... used also in the 70s for a prototype from a well known sports-cars italian make...
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So the missing part of the name is a five-letter Italian adjective, like, say, "Bella" is that correct?
Not exactly an adjective... but the structure of the word is almost the same... (consonat-vocal-double consonat-vocal...) ;)
Thanks for the clues, you are really generous... Could the name be Tutta Luce, then?
Yes!! :D
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Next to Bat 7 ,perhaps area Maserati with an A6G Allemano ?
No, this one is the Fissore 1100 coupé, as found by Joćo in reply#100
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I suppose you mean the Fiat 1100/103 TV spider Cheetah Bertone; ...if yes is my previous answer correct?
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I suppose you mean the Fiat 1100/103 TV spider Cheetah Bertone; ...if yes is my previous answer correct?
Yes Cheetah is correct! And yes the car behind Monviso Stella Filante is a Touring 1900 Super Sprint.
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A DKW F 89 L Bus, viewed from behind the Bertone Zeder.
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A DKW F 89 L Bus, viewed from behind the Bertone Zeder.
Great! :)
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I suppose this car is a Fiat 1100-103 FL coupč Francis Lombardi
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I suppose this car is a Fiat 1100-103 FL coupč Francis Lombardi
The location is correct, the car fit with the picture... so it should be right!
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Very nice map! 8)
Another car seen for the first time : 1954 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint by Bertone. (Alfa Romeo Stand)
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Aaaaaggghhh...I was quite sure it was the Giulietta, but I was afraid to loose a point!
Another try in Francis Lombardi stand...this one should be the 1400 A Presidenziale FL.
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Another : A brand new Panhard Dyna Z, in 1954, the body was redesigned.
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Please... ;)
It is... but please next time wait for my reply before posting another guess... ;)
Next time I won't be polite...
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Very nice map! 8)
Another car seen for the first time : 1954 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint by Bertone. (Alfa Romeo Stand)
Yes! The star of the motor show! :D
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Aaaaaggghhh...I was quite sure it was the Giulietta, but I was afraid to loose a point!
Another try in Francis Lombardi stand...this one should be the 1400 A Presidenziale FL.
Yes
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Another : A brand new Panhard Dyna Z, in 1954, the body was redesigned.
And again correct...
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Also a station wagon named Universal can be spotted on the DKW stand, next to the bus. It can be either an F 89 or a new F 91; my first guess is F 91 Sonderklasse.
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Also a station wagon named Universal can be spotted on the DKW stand, next to the bus. It can be either an F 89 or a new F 91; my first guess is F 91 Sonderklasse.
Unfortunately I have no infos about this car model... but I think your identification is enough for the point... until more pictures or information can be found...
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According to a period report, there were three Ferraris on display at the show, and one of them was a Pinin Farina 250 Europa Coupé. In the picture below it can be spotted on the left of the trio. And the link: the dark car standing on the revolving stage of the Lancia stand appears to be the Aurelia B12 listed as #11.
There“s another Lancia B20GT at the same place.
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On the Left of the Giulietta Sprint, there is the Romeo (Autotutto) . I suppose that the minibus version was displayed in Turin.
Than I have a question: If in a stand we have 2 or more cars of the same model, is it possible to spot them?
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According to a period report, there were three Ferraris on display at the show, and one of them was a Pinin Farina 250 Europa Coupé. In the picture below it can be spotted on the left of the trio. And the link: the dark car standing on the revolving stage of the Lancia stand appears to be the Aurelia B12 listed as #11.
There“s another Lancia B20GT at the same place.
Yes!
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On the Left of the Giulietta Sprint, there is the Romeo (Autotutto) . I suppose that the minibus version was displayed in Turin.
Than I have a question: If in a stand we have 2 or more cars of the same model, is it possible to spot them?
And correct...
If in a stand there are two or more cars of the same model there should be treated as different cars...
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On the Left of the Giulietta Sprint, there is the Romeo (Autotutto) . I suppose that the minibus version was displayed in Turin.
Than I have a question: If in a stand we have 2 or more cars of the same model, is it possible to spot them?
A better picture :
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Francis Lombardi Stand > Frua Stand : A 1954 Fiat 1100
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I think this one is an Alfa Romeo 1900 Super.
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Sorry Iluvatar...I try to post you a PM but your box is full...Just to say that I suppose to have 16 points and not 15 (with the Romeo, 17 if the 1900 super is right). I say it just because I think that the more we go further, the more boring would be to count again all the points. Thank you for this very addictive game.
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There seem to have been also at least two Touring-bodied Alfa Romeo 1900 Super Sprint coupés brought to the show: a light coloured one, already listed, and a darker (maybe red?) one, displayed on the Alfa stand, close to the Giulietta Sprint.
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An Ermini 1300 by Frua next to the Fiat Frua ?
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I suppose that this last picture has been left-right turned.
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Yes ! sorry
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Francis Lombardi Stand > Frua Stand : A 1954 Fiat 1100
Yes!
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Sorry Iluvatar...I try to post you a PM but your box is full...Just to say that I suppose to have 16 points and not 15 (with the Romeo, 17 if the 1900 super is right). I say it just because I think that the more we go further, the more boring would be to count again all the points. Thank you for this very addictive game.
Thanks! I had notice there was a missing point but I didn't found who has lost it... ;)
The 1900 is correct
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There seem to have been also at least two Touring-bodied Alfa Romeo 1900 Super Sprint coupés brought to the show: a light coloured one, already listed, and a darker (maybe red?) one, displayed on the Alfa stand, close to the Giulietta Sprint.
:nod:
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An Ermini 1300 by Frua next to the Fiat Frua ?
Ermini and Frua are ok... but not 1300... locked for you!
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Ermini1380 by Frua ?
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Ermini1380 by Frua ?
No... less then 1300... still locked for you!
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Unfortunately this is my last car : Another DKW : 1954 F91 Sonderklasse
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Ermini 1100 by Frua ?
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On the left side of the B20 #15, there is another Aurelia B12.
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Another coachbuilt Alfa Romeo in the vicinity of the Giulietta Sprint: 1900 C Pinin Farina Coupé.
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I suppose this is a Ferrari Pinifarina, as it seems to be in front of the Giulietta.
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Unfortunately this is my last car : Another DKW : 1954 F91 Sonderklasse
... don't worry... this is not your last car... ;) ...it was already identified by Ehhxekt (#39)...
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Ermini 1100 by Frua ?
yes!
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On the left side of the B20 #15, there is another Aurelia B12.
:nod:
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Another coachbuilt Alfa Romeo in the vicinity of the Giulietta Sprint: 1900 C Pinin Farina Coupé.
I suppose this is a Ferrari Pinifarina, as it seems to be in front of the Giulietta.
targhediferro is right, it's car #24
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Unfortunately this is my last car : Another DKW : 1954 F91 Sonderklasse
... don't worry... this is not your last car... ;) ...it was already identified by Ehhxekt (#39)...
:scratch:
Pininfarina Stand : 1954 Alfa Romeo 1900 TI Super
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Perhaps a Fiat 1100 TV by Colli in front of the Romeo ?
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The job is coming to be hard...
In this first picture is possible to see the advise of the I.A.M.E. (Industrias Aeronįuticas y Mecįnicas del Estado) that built the Justicialista. In a period magazine I found a picture (unfourtunately I can't scan it at the moment) of this stand; in the foreground is possible to see the Pegaso Z 102 Touring, and it's possible to guess the position of the A.R. 1900 super sprint Touring. The Justicialista Sedan is the closer car.
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IAME and Colli between touring and lombardi :
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:scratch:
Pininfarina Stand : 1954 Alfa Romeo 1900 TI Super
You have to tell me where it was (near to...) ...but indeed there was one...
The job is coming to be hard...
In this first picture is possible to see the advise of the I.A.M.E. (Industrias Aeronįuticas y Mecįnicas del Estado) that built the Justicialista. In a period magazine I found a picture (unfourtunately I can't scan it at the moment) of this stand; in the foreground is possible to see the Pegaso Z 102 Touring, and it's possible to guess the position of the A.R. 1900 super sprint Touring. The Justicialista Sedan is the closer car.
This is rather correct...
Perhaps a Fiat 1100 TV by Colli in front of the Romeo ?
There was a Colli Fiat 1100 in front of a Romeo... but it's not the same Romeo posted before...
IAME and Colli between touring and lombardi :
Not Lombardi (there is something else between them)
But you have find the correct position... and as the Justicialista was identified by targhediferro give you the point.
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My next step is based on the map. Car #50, the Ermini coupé identified by SACO, seems to have been placed next to a corridor separating the Lombardi / Frua sector from the one situated in the south-east (upper right) corner of the hall. I think I found a picture of that area; if my deduction is correct, the car I highlighted a Moretti 1200 Gran Turismo? was standing not too far away from the Ermini.
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Side by side the Justicialista Sedan, there was also a Justicialista sport roadster.
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My next step is based on the map. Car #50, the Ermini coupé identified by SACO, seems to have been placed next to a corridor separating the Lombardi / Frua sector from the one situated in the south-east (upper right) corner of the hall. I think I found a picture of that area; if my deduction is correct, the car I highlighted a Moretti 1200 Gran Turismo? was standing not too far away from the Ermini.
You have found a good picture to identify a lot of new cars!
The car is a Moretti 1200 berlina 2 porte, not a G.T. but this point is yours...
;)
Side by side the Justicialista Sedan, there was also a Justicialista sport roadster.
:nod:
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Side by side the Justicialista Sedan, there was also a Justicialista sport roadster.
You have find your 20th car, and now you have to stop guessing. But don't worry... maybe I'll remove this limit in the future... ;)
- I set a temporary limit of 20 cars identified by a single person, to leave the puzzle open to more people... when you identify your 20th car please stop guessing! In the future I'll decide if this limit should be removed...
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A Moretti 1200 Berlinetta by Motto?
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A Justicialista cabriolet next to the Justicialista sedan ?
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Unfortunately this is my last car : Another DKW : 1954 F91 Sonderklasse
... don't worry... this is not your last car... ;) ...it was already identified by Ehhxekt (#39)...
:scratch:
Pininfarina Stand : 1954 Alfa Romeo 1900 TI Super
Ferrari 375 Vignale > Alfa 1900 TI.
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Fiat 1100 103 Coupé by Zagato
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You have find your 20th car, and now you have to stop guessing. But don't worry... maybe I'll remove this limit in the future... ;)
Ok. I will wait and meanwhile I will search for other cars...I've some yet. ;D
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Accossata 1100 next to Colli ?
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A Moretti 1200 Berlinetta by Motto?
Yes!
A Justicialista cabriolet next to the Justicialista sedan ?
No... this one again the sport #55, just without the hard-top roof...
Ferrari 375 Vignale > Alfa 1900 TI.
The first picture is too little to see something... but the position is wrong...
Fiat 1100 103 Coupé by Zagato
Indeed!
Accossata 1100 next to Colli ?
Yes...
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The car right from the Zagato Fiat 1100 Coupé is a Zagato Fiat 8V Coupé.
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Ok, I will work on it. In the meantime...a 1954 Siata 208S
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A Moretti furgone?
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Next to it is the Moretti Junior 1100:
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The car right from the Zagato Fiat 1100 Coupé is a Zagato Fiat 8V Coupé.
Oh yes!
Ok, I will work on it. In the meantime...a 1954 Siata 208S
Siata 208S is correct...
A Moretti furgone?
Yes... do ou know what model? (I mean what engine)
Next to it is the Moretti Junior 1100:
Moretti, but not a Junior 1100 (the picture you posted is not from the 1954 Motor Show)...
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Period sources mention that Siata exhibited also the small, rear-engined Mitzi at the show. Although not actually visible, I think it might be there somewhere in the background, hidden by visitors, not far from the 208 spyder.
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Period sources mention that Siata exhibited also the small, rear-engined Mitzi at the show. Although not actually visible, I think it might be there somewhere in the background, hidden by visitors, not far from the 208 spyder.
Although I have no picture to confirm it the position should be correct...
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I do!
And my last guess : 1954 Mille Miglia Iso Isetta
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Maserati A6G 2000 by Frua ?
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I do!
And my last guess : 1954 Mille Miglia Iso Isetta
That's great! Thank you!
Maserati A6G 2000 by Frua ?
And yes!
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The beautiful berlinetta next to the Frua-bodied Maserati is the #2057 A6 GCS Pinin Farina coupe.
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The beautiful berlinetta next to the Frua-bodied Maserati is the #2057 A6 GCS Pinin Farina coupe.
:nod:
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fiat 1100 coupe by Allemano ?
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fiat 1100 coupe by Allemano ?
yes!
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The beautiful berlinetta next to the Frua-bodied Maserati is the #2057 A6 GCS Pinin Farina coupe.
Just to add that the label on the rear of this fantastic car says " Guglielmo Dei Roma", the roman dealer who committed this car to Pininfarina; its a two tone light blue, it has a lower roof than the other two Pininfarinas A6G54 2000. It now belongs to a friend of mine and I had the pleasure to enjoy a ride on it as passanger some times ago! Absolutely a great car.
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Just to add that the label on the rear of this fantastic car says " Guglielmo Dei Roma", the roman dealer who committed this car to Pininfarina; its a two tone light blue, it has a lower roof than the other two Pininfarinas A6G54 2000. It now belongs to a friend of mine and I had the pleasure to enjoy a ride on it as passanger some times ago! Absolutely a great car.
... I want to have a ride too!!! :hyper:
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Period sources mention that Siata exhibited also the small, rear-engined Mitzi at the show. Although not actually visible, I think it might be there somewhere in the background, hidden by visitors, not far from the 208 spyder.
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Hmm... I think the photo above was taken at the previous years show. Note the cars in the background...
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Next to it is the Moretti Junior 1100:
Moretti, but not a Junior 1100 (the picture you posted is not from the 1954 Motor Show)...
Then it has to be a 750 Corsa.
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And also a fiat 1100 cabriolet by Allemano :
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Then it has to be a 750 Corsa.
And also a fiat 1100 cabriolet by Allemano :
Both right!
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Period sources mention that Siata exhibited also the small, rear-engined Mitzi at the show. Although not actually visible, I think it might be there somewhere in the background, hidden by visitors, not far from the 208 spyder.
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No... your picture is from another year...
This is the Mitzi in 1954
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Perhaps a Maserati A6CGS Roadster next to the Maserati Pininfarina ?
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Perhaps a Maserati A6CGS Roadster next to the Maserati Pininfarina ?
Yes, it's an A6GCS!
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Dito, ;)
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Is the car in the background a 53 Allemano Fiat 1100 coupé?
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Isocarro 500 furgone ?
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Is the car in the background a 53 Allemano Fiat 1100 coupé?
It should be, yes...
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Isocarro 500 furgone ?
:nod:
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There is another Iso Isetta next to the Mille Miglia Isetta:
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There is another Iso Isetta next to the Mille Miglia Isetta:
:nod:
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Viotti seems to have brought several versions of the Fiat 1100 Giardinetta to the show; the one standing closest to the Allemano coupé looks like a base model.
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Viotti seems to have brought several versions of the Fiat 1100 Giardinetta to the show; the one standing closest to the Allemano coupé looks like a base model.
Oh yes!
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An other version of the giardinetta ?
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An other version of the giardinetta ?
There were indeed another 1100 Viotti yes...
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Back to the Moretti / Siata stand for a moment... There was also another nice and exotic Italian sports car there: the Giaur San Remo was a joint effort of Giannini (engine), Urania (chassis), and Motto (body). Going by the pictures below, I suppose it was parking not far away from the Moretti pullman.
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Yes! That's the correct place
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A Nardi Danese 750 by Michelotti-Vignale ?
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A Nardi Danese 750 by Michelotti-Vignale ?
:disbelief:
Wrong car!
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How to restart the puzzle ? :)
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How to restart the puzzle ? :)
Solving more cars... 8)
I'll think if there is a way to help the puzzle to go on...
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I found a couple of pics but if you could update the pic with the numbers, it will be easier... ;)
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I found a couple of pics but if you could update the pic with the numbers, it will be easier... ;)
Me too, but I can“t go any further than 20 points :P
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I think to have some clues too...but I'm 20! :-\
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I found a couple of pics but if you could update the pic with the numbers, it will be easier... ;)
Ok... I'll do it soon... ;)
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Me too, but I can“t go any further than 20 points :P
I think to have some clues too...but I'm 20! :-\
:D
Be patient for a while... ;)
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Let's go!!!
The dashed areas are still not entirely cleared...
White cars ("??") are a little help... ;)
I hope to have done the map correctly... maybe the proportions are not perfect...
:)
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that's perfect, thank you!
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Ok, now or never...in front of Zagato's Fiat 8V (#59) there's a 1100 TV Coupe Speciale by Vignale. I'll post the pic later...
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A Fiat Zero in the Fiat area ? ;D
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Ok, now or never...in front of Zagato's Fiat 8V (#59) there's a 1100 TV Coupe Speciale by Vignale. I'll post the pic later...
I wait for the pic... :)
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A Fiat Zero in the Fiat area ? ;D
mmmmmhh... are you sure this is a full scale car?? ;D
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Ok, now or never...in front of Zagato's Fiat 8V (#59) there's a 1100 TV Coupe Speciale by Vignale. I'll post the pic later...
I wait for the pic... :)
I found a better pic and the position is wrong...not too far but not close to that Zagato. :-\
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I found a better pic and the position is wrong...not too far but not close to that Zagato. :-\
...indeed... ;)
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Finally I found a good pic:
#22 is beside #5 and next you have a Fiat 1400 Familiare:
It was driving me mad!
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A third Viotti Fiat 1100 giardinetta ?
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Finally I found a good pic:
#22 is beside #5 and next you have a Fiat 1400 Familiare:
It was driving me mad!
Wow!!! That's a wonderful picture! :P
... but... the 1400 Familiare is not a Monviso... locked for you to find the solution... ;)
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A third Viotti Fiat 1100 giardinetta ?
The Viotti stand is still not clear at all... but indeed in your picture there are at least 3 1100 giardinetta...
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Finally I found a good pic:
#22 is beside #5 and next you have a Fiat 1400 Familiare:
It was driving me mad!
Wow!!! That's a wonderful picture! :P
... but... the 1400 Familiare is not a Monviso... locked for you to find the solution... ;)
It has to be Ghia, then.
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Perhaps an other Viotti Fiat 1100 giardinetta ; because I think that there is no sedan this year ?
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Finally I found a good pic:
#22 is beside #5 and next you have a Fiat 1400 Familiare:
It was driving me mad!
Wow!!! That's a wonderful picture! :P
... but... the 1400 Familiare is not a Monviso... locked for you to find the solution... ;)
It has to be Ghia, then.
Yes, Ghia Serie Speciali!
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Perhaps an other Viotti Fiat 1100 giardinetta ; because I think that there is no sedan this year ?
Yes!
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Now I should wait till 3:45pm (Autopuzzles time), right?
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Now I should wait till 3:45pm (Autopuzzles time), right?
No... why??
SACO has identified a car after your one... so you are free to have another guess...
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Opps, I spent hours reading post by post but missed the basics ;D
However, there should be another 1100 Familiare by Ghia Serie speciali, then.
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Opps, I spent hours reading post by post but missed the basics ;D
However, there should be another 1100 Familiare by Ghia Serie speciali, then.
Oh yes! ;)
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Now I have to wait until someone else find another car...
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Now I have to wait until someone else find another car...
yes... but you can go on with the research... ;D
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An other Alfa Romeo Romeo behind the Fiat Colli ?
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An other Alfa Romeo Romeo behind the Fiat Colli ?
Yes, in the "coach" section of the motor show!
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Next one is ready...may I proceed?
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Next one is ready...may I proceed?
Yes! Let's go!! ;)
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Chassis #153-0155 according to one source (but I'd rather say 150-0150).
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Chassis #153-0155 according to one source (but I'd rather say 150-0150).
I don't know the chassis but, yes, it's a Pegaso... ;)
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And another Pegaso Z102 Berlinetta Touring series 1 next to it.
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Chassis #153-0155 according to one source (but I'd rather say 150-0150).
I don't know the chassis but, yes, it's a Pegaso... ;)
And another Pegaso Z102 Berlinetta Touring series 1 next to it.
... there's a problem... one of the two Pegaso was already identified as #21...the light one...
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... there's a problem... one of the two Pegaso was already identified as #21...the light one...
What should I do now?
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Just to shed some light on it..
According to Spanish sources, chassis #0154, Berlineta Touring ( the light one ) was there. "Vehķculo expuesto anteriormente en el Salón de Turķn en 4.1954" First owner : Fancisco Godia Sales. Color : blue with blue interior, not a metallic color.
Chassis #0155 : According to the same source : Berlineta ENASA; so ...not a Touring body.
Chassis #0150 : Berlineta Touring, Concorso d“Eleganza San Remo, april 1954. (probably the other car) First owner : José Marķa Caralt. Color : silver with blue interior.
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Chassis #153-0155 according to one source (but I'd rather say 150-0150).
I don't know the chassis but, yes, it's a Pegaso... ;)
And another Pegaso Z102 Berlinetta Touring series 1 next to it.
... there's a problem... one of the two Pegaso was already identified as #21...the light one...
Yes, I knew that...but it was the dark one. ;)
The light one was the one I was talking about. I did not put it in a circle because I didn't want to modify the pic.
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... there's a problem... one of the two Pegaso was already identified as #21...the light one...
What should I do now?
Where is the problem? I found the car next to Joao's one and next to the ones I found previously, right?
Just to shed some light on it..
According to Spanish sources, chassis #0154, Berlineta Touring ( the light one ) was there. "Vehķculo expuesto anteriormente en el Salón de Turķn en 4.1954" First owner : Fancisco Godia Sales. Color : blue with blue interior, not a metallic color.
Chassis #0155 : According to the same source : Berlineta ENASA; so ...not a Touring body.
Chassis #0150 : Berlineta Touring, Concorso d“Eleganza San Remo, april 1954. (probably the other car) First owner : José Marķa Caralt. Color : silver with blue interior.
I took it from granted that you ID the dark one. I looked for a light Touring that could be the one next to it. According to a well documented source:
#0150 was in Italy in that period, as Joao wrote. The colour was silver and here's a pic (from 1955).
#0154, the one already ID is not the light one. Here's a pic.
#0155. According to the same source was on display in Turin, but the color doesn't match: "inicialmente de color rojo-blanco, y posteriormente de color beige"
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... there's a problem... one of the two Pegaso was already identified as #21...the light one...
What should I do now?
Just forget my post. I don't want to start any quarrel. :)
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I can't see the problem... I knew there was already a Pegaso, the dark one (as you can see from Joao's pic)...in my pic there are two: Joao's and a new one. Wendax, you probably forgot Joao's guess but if there were no Pegaso already solved, in my picture you would have seen just one of them ;D (I would have kept the other for a future point!).
Please tell me if I'm still missing something...(this period it may well be ^-^...)
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Wendax, you probably forgot Joao's guess
Exactly
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Ok... no problem at all.. Paul Jaray has identified the second Pegaso... :)
In fact the picture where Joao had found the first Pegaso (Reply 78 on page 4) showed the dark car, and not the light one... so I misplaced car #21...
I'll correct the map... ;)
Now the puzzle is closed for Paul Jaray, who identified the last car... :)
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Updated map...
thanks PJ per the great picture!! :D
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Previously probably identified, but not mentioned, we have another Lancia Appia between #13 and #51 :
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Previously probably identified, but not mentioned, we have another Lancia Appia between #13 and #51 :
No, this one was not identified before... ;)
Appia is correct!
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Among the 1954 Le Mans entries there was a small, featherweight Nardi sports racer, fitted with a streamlined barchetta body by Motto and a 750cc Crosley engine. This car is reported to have been on display at the Turin show before; although not visible in the picture, it must have been there somewhere, close to the #54 Moretti.
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Among the 1954 Le Mans entries there was a small, featherweight Nardi sports racer, fitted with a streamlined barchetta body by Motto and a 750cc Crosley engine. This car is reported to have been on display at the Turin show before; although not visible in the picture, it must have been there somewhere, close to the #54 Moretti.
Yes, the car is just beside Moretti #54.
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A Fiat 1100 Berlinetta by Vignale near the #8 Ghia Chrysler ?
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Next to the Giaur 750 should be a Moretti 750 Alger Le Cap Berlina:
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And a Fiat 1400/1900 coupé spécial by Vignale?
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And another Moretti 750 Alger Le Cap:
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And perhaps another Fiat 1400/1900 coupé spécial by Vignale ?
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Hey, shouldn't you wait for Iluvatar's OK before proceeding? I had those Vignale ready too... :'(
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Sorry !
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Hey, shouldn't you wait for Iluvatar's OK before proceeding? I had those Vignale ready too... :'(
Don't worry PJ...
SACO lost one point for guessing a car which is not near to an already identified car... because it's not #8 Ghia Chrysler...
So also the next guesses from SACO cannot be considered...
Next to the Giaur 750 should be a Moretti 750 Alger Le Cap Berlina:
This is correct...
And another Moretti 750 Alger Le Cap:
But as I don't consider SACO's posts you are not allowed to have another guess... so I don't consider this one too...
Note that your guess are not wrong... so you have given a big help to other puzzler... maybe next time you'll wait my reply...
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... so you have given a big help to other puzzler...
No problem :)
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Bad week-end ! :-[
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Don't give up! There are still a lot of cars for you!
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The nice hardtop coupé on the slanted platform in the background not far from the #25 Peugeot 203 appears to be a Simca Aronde Grand Large.
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The nice hardtop coupé on the slanted platform in the background not far from the #25 Peugeot 203 appears to be a Simca Aronde Grand Large.
Yes!! :)
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Now I can try again with the second Moretti 750 Alger Le Cap (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=27246.msg320387#msg320387). :)
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:)
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And finally the 1100TV Coupe Speciale by Vignale!
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Now I can try again with the second Moretti 750 Alger Le Cap (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=27246.msg320387#msg320387). :)
Correct!
And finally the 1100TV Coupe Speciale by Vignale!
Vignale Fiat... but not a 1100... locked for you...
EDIT: sorry... 1100 is right...
EDIT again... the car is not a 1100! ...locked for you...
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The Alfa 1900 TI Super Pinin Farina near the Bentley PF ?
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The Alfa 1900 TI Super Pinin Farina near the Bentley PF ?
You are really close... the only problem is that the 1900 is not "near" the Bentley... there's something else in between...
but the 1900 is near another car already identified... locked for you to find out what it is...
I give you a little help... you picture is reversed... take a look at the map and you'll find the car... ;)
(Bentley is #12)
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Now I can try again with the second Moretti 750 Alger Le Cap (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=27246.msg320387#msg320387). :)
Correct!
And finally the 1100TV Coupe Speciale by Vignale!
Vignale Fiat... but not a 1100... locked for you...
EDIT: sorry... 1100 is right...
EDIT again... the car is not a 1100! ...locked for you...
The pic in my reply cames from Sannia's book about Fiat Nuova 1100, pag.95...I can guess it's a 1400, but I still think it's a 1100.
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Map updated http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=27246.msg310520#msg310520
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Now I can try again with the second Moretti 750 Alger Le Cap (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=27246.msg320387#msg320387). :)
Correct!
And finally the 1100TV Coupe Speciale by Vignale!
Vignale Fiat... but not a 1100... locked for you...
EDIT: sorry... 1100 is right...
EDIT again... the car is not a 1100! ...locked for you...
The pic in my reply cames from Sannia's book about Fiat Nuova 1100, pag.95...I can guess it's a 1400, but I still think it's a 1100.
Yes... I know that... but it's an error I have found on a period magazine... a misleading reversed caption...
The car is not a 1100 nor a 1400... but it's a Fiat... ;)
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I don't understand !
The Lancia PF200 is black?
And the car near the Alfa 1900 PF is a Ferrari (250 ? )
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I don't understand !
The Lancia PF200 is black?
And the car near the Alfa 1900 PF is a Ferrari (250 ? )
Maybe the cars were not in the same place for the entire duration of the show... but if you look at this picture the car on the right of the Bentley is black and it should be the Lancia PF200.
The car between the 1900 and the Bentley is white so it's not the Lancia PF200...
But from other pictures I have the white car is on the left of the 1900, like in your last post...
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If you look at the map (in the first page), there are two "??" cars on the left of the Bentley (#12)... they are the cars of your last picture... so now you should be able to identify one of them...
still locked for SACO
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Now I can try again with the second Moretti 750 Alger Le Cap (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=27246.msg320387#msg320387). :)
Correct!
And finally the 1100TV Coupe Speciale by Vignale!
Vignale Fiat... but not a 1100... locked for you...
EDIT: sorry... 1100 is right...
EDIT again... the car is not a 1100! ...locked for you...
The pic in my reply cames from Sannia's book about Fiat Nuova 1100, pag.95...I can guess it's a 1400, but I still think it's a 1100.
Yes... I know that... but it's an error I have found on a period magazine... a misleading reversed caption...
The car is not a 1100 nor a 1400... but it's a Fiat... ;)
I'll go for 1900, then. ;)
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The Lancia PF on the right of the Bentley !
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A Fiat 1100TV by Pinin Farina on left or second left of the Bentley ?
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I'll go for 1900, then. ;)
Yes 1900!
I'll explain the error and how I found it when all the Vignale cars will be solved...
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A Fiat 1100TV by Pinin Farina on left or second left of the Bentley ?
I'm trying to figure out how to explain all the picture of the Pinin Farina stand...
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I think that the picture you posted with the white car between Bentley and Alfa 1900 was shooted when the cars were not in the final position.
This is not strange, I have some picture with cars moved from their final place just to have a better view to shoot photos...
The correct disposition is the one in your reply #307 (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=27246.msg320600#msg320600)
I post a map of the Pinin Farina stand...
It should be quite clear now where is the 1900...
still locked for SACO
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I know I'm not allowed to give answers...but just to help in getting everyone confused ;D, I remember Joao's answer #180...Alfa 1900 seems to be in another position more.
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I know I'm not allowed to give answers...but just to help in getting everyone confused ;D, I remember Joao's answer #180...Alfa 1900 seems to be in another position more.
The Joao post was correct... but he didn't tell where exactly the 1900 is... so it was not enough to have the point...
Pininfarina Stand : 1954 Alfa Romeo 1900 TI Super
You have to tell me where it was (near to...) ...but indeed there was one...
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In the Pinin Farina stand there was a P.F. Alfa Romeo 1900 TI Super, and now I'd like to know from SACO at least one car which is near (beside, behind, in front...) this 1900 and which was already identified... there are at least 3 cars already solved "near" the 1900! ;)
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I know I'm not allowed to give answers...
You are not allowed to solve cars... but you are allowed to write on this thread... ;)
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When car #100 will be identified I'll reopen the puzzle to everybody!! :popcorn:
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Thus ; the Alfa 1900TI Super is on the left of the Bentley ? :o
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Thus ; the Alfa 1900TI Super is on the left of the Bentley ? :o
Yessss!!! :)
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The Vignale in the middle should be a 1100 Coupe Mignon....
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The Vignale in the middle should be a 1100 Coupe Mignon....
what's the meaning of "in the middle"? :o
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Sorry, In my pictures, there are 3 Vignales, one was the
1100, 1400, 1900. Beside that, there should be the 1100 mignon.
Here's the pic:
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Sorry, In my pictures, there are 3 Vignales, one was the 1100, 1400, 1900. Beside that, there should be the 1100 mignon.
I don't have a specific name for this one... so it could be a Mignon (do you have pictures of this version?)... but it's indeed a Fiat 1100 (TV)
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A Fiat 600 Cherrie by Vignale ?
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A Fiat 600 Cherrie by Vignale ?
SACO!!!! :-\
You lose another point! The car is not a 600... and it's not near a car you have already identified...
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>:(
It is necessary that the car is near a car that I have already identified myself ?
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A Fiat 600 in 1954 ? ? :o
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>:(
It is necessary that the car is near a car that I have already identified myself ?
When you correctly identify you can go ahead with a new car, but near to one of the cars you have found.
You'll recieve +1 points for every correct and complete guess.
You can also try to guess a car near to a car found by someone else... but in this case you'll recieve -1 points if the guess is wrong!
You can try also with cars not near to one found by yuorself, but if your guess is wrong you lose a point...
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Ferrari pictures :
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Ferrari pictures :
Great! :thumbsup:
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Targhediferro already identified an Alfa Romeo 1900 Berlina Super on this photo; I seem to make out another one behind the Romeo Autotutto.
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Targhediferro already identified an Alfa Romeo 1900 Berlina Super on this photo; I seem to make out another one behind the Romeo Autotutto.
;) another point for you!
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Then the 1100TV Coupe Vignale!
(Close to the 1100 Mignon)
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Then the 1100TV Coupe Vignale!
(Close to the 1100 Mignon)
Yes, this is the Coupé Speciale confused with the 1900...
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C'mon guys! ;D
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C'mon guys! ;D
;D
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C'mon guys! ;D
;D
OK, here is my try. Lets take the map again: next to the little Nardi barchetta there is a car that we hadnt identified yet. What can that be? Possibly another one of the etceterini; a small manufacturer that, like Nardi, brought only a single car to the show. In a magazine article I read that Stanguellini presented in Turin their twin cam 750cc engine fitted in an open body of some sort. So my guess: the car in question is a Stanguellini 750 Bialbero. The problem is that I haven't ever seen a picture of it; Im actually not even sure if it had a sports car body or was an open wheel formula racer...
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OK, here is my try. Let’s take the map again: next to the little Nardi barchetta there is a car that we hadn’t identified yet. What can that be? Possibly another one of the etceterini; a small manufacturer that, like Nardi, brought only a single car to the show. In a magazine article I read that Stanguellini presented in Turin their twin cam 750cc engine fitted in an open body of some sort. So my guess: the car in question is a Stanguellini 750 Bialbero. The problem is that I haven't ever seen a picture of it; I’m actually not even sure if it had a sports car body or was an open wheel formula racer...
Yes! Great! The car is a Stanguellini 750 Sport bialbero, with a transparent bonnet that show the engine.
I have only these two pictures of the car... but it could be the one in the color photo.
(in the first picture the Stanguellini is the car on the left... ;) )
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A fiat Nuova 1100 by Ghia at the Ghia stand ?
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A fiat Nuova 1100 by Ghia at the Ghia stand ?
yes... but is car #29 (Ghia-Serie Speciali FIat 1100 "Tutta luce") found by Ehhxekt...
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is this one the 1100 "Tutta Luce"?
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is this one the 1100 "Tutta Luce"?
Yes, this is the "Tutta luce"
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C'mon guys! ;D
These old posts may help you to go on...
A Fiat 1100 Berlinetta by Vignale near the #8 Ghia Chrysler ?
SACO lost one point for guessing a car which is not near to an already identified car... because it's not #8 Ghia Chrysler...
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Map updated in the first page (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=27246.msg310520#msg310520)
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There's an Opel Kapitan behind the Alfa Romeo 1900...pics will follow soon!
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There's an Opel Kapitan behind the Alfa Romeo 1900...pics will follow soon!
Yes!!! :applause:
Eventually someone shows up! ;)
Here another picture.
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You left a juicy clue on the next car in your pic ;)
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That clue shouts Opel Olympia Rekord to me. ;)
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You left a juicy clue on the next car in your pic ;)
... deliberately ... ;D
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That clue shouts Opel Olympia Rekord to me. ;)
;)
Another correct guess!
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Could it be another 1900? In that stand we have a Giulietta Sprint, a 1900s and a 1900ss...don't think it's a C...could it be a TI?
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Could it be another 1900? In that stand we have a Giulietta Sprint, a 1900s and a 1900ss...don't think it's a C...could it be a TI?
This one was alreaday identified by Ehhxekt on Reply #334...
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Ouch....I've got my plan B:
There's a MB 300.
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Ouch....I've got my plan B:
There's a MB 300.
It should be correct... :)
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Are we sure it's a MB 300 and not a MB 220? I have this doubt because of the roof shape, the top of the windscreen is more curved than 300's one, in my opinion. I asked to Paul Jaray why he decided for 300, and he told me that it depends on the split front bumper. Does anyone have a final word about it?
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I'd opt for the 220, because the 300 always had chrome A-pillars. Furthermore, on a picture of this quality you can't tell the difference between split bumpers and a single bumper optically divided by a plate. For comparison I'll attach a picture of the brand new 220 at Geneva in March, 1954.
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Are we sure it's a MB 300 and not a MB 220? I have this doubt because of the roof shape, the top of the windscreen is more curved than 300's one, in my opinion. I asked to Paul Jaray why he decided for 300, and he told me that it depends on the split front bumper. Does anyone have a final word about it?
I should say that I'm not an expert in old (nor new) Mercedes... so I guess it should have been correct... but now I see there could be indeed a 220... because of the A-pillar, which looks chromed on the 300 and looks dark in the Turin pic...
:-\
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Are we sure it's a MB 300 and not a MB 220? I have this doubt because of the roof shape, the top of the windscreen is more curved than 300's one, in my opinion. I asked to Paul Jaray why he decided for 300, and he told me that it depends on the split front bumper. Does anyone have a final word about it?
I should say that I'm not an expert in old (nor new) Mercedes... so I guess it should have been correct... but now I see there could be indeed a 220... because of the A-pillar, which looks chromed on the 300 and looks dark in the Turin pic...
:-\
I've been a lot on that pic before I made my decision.
There's also another clue...but of course I might be wrong.
I'm sending you an email...I don't know how to attach pictures via PM :-\
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...but I think you are right...what's the point in showing the old version?
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Ok... we can state that the car is a 220... the point for this car will remain not assegned...
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Can I proceed, then?
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Can I proceed, then?
yes!
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This one should be a 300s....(I hope!)
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And behind the 300 S you can see a Mercedes-Benz 220 Cabriolet (W 187), still built, although the saloon already changed to the new series.
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This one should be a 300s....(I hope!)
Yes, the white car should be a 300S (cabriolet)
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And behind the 300 S you can see a Mercedes-Benz 220 Cabriolet (W 187), still built, although the saloon already changed to the new series.
... what car are you referring too?
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And behind the 300 S you can see a Mercedes-Benz 220 Cabriolet (W 187), still built, although the saloon already changed to the new series.
... what car are you referring too?
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And behind the 300 S you can see a Mercedes-Benz 220 Cabriolet (W 187), still built, although the saloon already changed to the new series.
... what car are you referring too?
If you mean the car beside the 300S cabriolet... I really cannot recognize it as a 220 cabriolet... do you have a better picture or something to prove your identification?
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I don't have a picture from Turin 1954, but for comparison see the attached picture. The dark roof on the light body proves it to be a convertible, the length of the roof rules out the Cabriolet A, the curved front wing makes it a 220 and not a 300.
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I don't have a picture from Turin 1954, but for comparison see the attached picture. The dark roof on the light body proves it to be a convertible, the length of the roof rules out the Cabriolet A, the curved front wing makes it a 220 and not a 300.
You may be indeed right... but the picture is too bad for a proper identification, and I have no other info about it...
Can someone help the identification?? :)
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The white convertible behind the Kapitän looks like a Cadillac Eldorado...
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The white convertible behind the Kapitän looks like a Cadillac Eldorado...
Aaargh...that was my next one! ;D
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The white convertible behind the Kapitän looks like a Cadillac Eldorado...
and it is!
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The white convertible behind the Kapitän looks like a Cadillac Eldorado...
Ehhxekt you have now reached 20 points (in this puzzle) and you cannot guess cars until the puzzle will be again unlocked for everyone (soon!)
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And behind the 300 S you can see a Mercedes-Benz 220 Cabriolet (W 187), still built, although the saloon already changed to the new series.
I have a better angle, .. May I post my picture?
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And behind the 300 S you can see a Mercedes-Benz 220 Cabriolet (W 187), still built, although the saloon already changed to the new series.
I have a better angle, .. May I post my picture?
Yes you can!! :D
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Ok! Thanks :)
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May I assume He is right and proceed with that?
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And I stand slightly corrected, as on this picture it rather looks like a Mercedes-Benz 220 Cabriolet A instead of B.
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And I stand slightly corrected, as on this picture it rather looks like a Mercedes-Benz 220 Cabriolet A instead of B.
Ok for the Mercedes 220 Cabriolet! :)
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May I assume He is right and proceed with that?
Yes you can! :D
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Ok! Thanks :)
Thanks for the help! ;)
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Thank you!
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Thank you!
Mercedes 300 Cabriolet for Paul Jaray!
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A Mercedes 300 SL coupé in the center of the stand Mercedes ?
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A Mercedes 300 SL coupé in the center of the stand Mercedes ?
It could but I don't recognize any other car around and so I cannot be sure it's the correct motor-show... have you a better (larger) picture?
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A Mercedes 300 SL coupé in the center of the stand Mercedes ?
It could but I don't recognize any other car around and so I cannot be sure it's the correct motor-show... have you a better (larger) picture?
Ok... I've found your picture in the full version, it's from an earlier edition of the Turin motor show.
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Back to the Moretti / Siata stand for a moment... There was also another nice and exotic Italian sports car there: the Giaur San Remo was a joint effort of Giannini (engine), Urania (chassis), and Motto (body). Going by the pictures below, I suppose it was parking not far away from the Moretti pullman.
Another picture of this car...
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No ideas for the 100th car??
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I have some...but I have to wait.
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Nothing !
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I have some...but I have to wait.
Second that! In the meantime, another picture :
BTW, front page, map is missing.
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BTW, front page, map is missing.
You are right! Map is back!
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I have some...but I have to wait.
Second that!
Still one car missing and then you'll be back!
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I suggest you to have a look at Reply #285, and #292 too... ;)
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The rear of the Fiat 1900 (#9 ) :
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And a Fiat 1400A at the left of the 1100 Familiare ?
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The rear of the Fiat 1900 (#9 ) :
:thumbsup:
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And a Fiat 1400A at the left of the 1100 Familiare ?
It seems right... so...
100 cars found!
The puzzle is now open to everybody!! (with the same rules as before)
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Is this a Lancia Aurelia B52 Allemano?
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Nice Saco!
Zagato Stand : Another Fiat 1100 Coupé by Zagato
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Nice Saco!
Zagato Stand : Another Fiat 1100 Coupé by Zagato
It's an 8V and we already have it with #59! :)
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Is this a Lancia Aurelia B52 Allemano?
That picture is from Turin Motor Show 1953!
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No! it“s another car, it has white wall tires and it looks smaller than the 8V imho.
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Is this a Lancia Aurelia B52 Allemano?
That picture is from Turin Motor Show 1953!
Excuse me, but this picture is the attached to #221 one, posted by Exhekt, that you've said to be a correct identication of n.68, Fiat 1100 cabriolet Allemano. ???
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Is this a Lancia Aurelia B52 Allemano?
That picture is from Turin Motor Show 1953!
Excuse me, but this picture is the attached to #221 one, posted by Exhekt, that you've said to be a correct identication of n.68, Fiat 1100 cabriolet Allemano. ???
Yes, the picture is in post #221, but it's there only to identify the correct car type seen in the previous picture of the same post (and in post #220), it's from 1953.
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No! it“s another car, it has white wall tires and it looks smaller than the 8V imho.
This is correct, I didn't notice that...
Now we have a problem I already noticed during the research for this puzzle.
At that time the cars in the show were not the same everytime.
During the motor show some cars changed... and they are not the same in all the pictures...
But according to the picture you posted there were a 1100 Zagato near the other 1100... so I add the double car in the same "slot" (car#59) and you recieve one more point!
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I suppose there is another Fiat 1100 / 103 familiare apart from the one pictured in answer #66.
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During the motor show some cars changed , like on Pininfarina stand !
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I suppose there is another Fiat 1100 / 103 familiare apart from the one pictured in answer #66.
Another point for you!
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During the motor show some cars changed , like on Pininfarina stand !
This is indeed a problem for the puzzle...
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Simca Stand : 1954 Simca Aronde Chatelaine Break
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I think I found something but it's pretty hard to prove it...howhever:
In the left part of the pic you should recognize the MB 220 cabriolet taken from rear...the same was later moved near to a 300SL Coupe.
I read SACO already guessed that but I've strong clues that my pics comes from '54...
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If you are talking about the white convertible, that should be the 300 S you identified in reply #366.
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Simca Stand : 1954 Simca Aronde Chatelaine Break
It looks right indeed!
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I think I found something but it's pretty hard to prove it...howhever:
In the left part of the pic you should recognize the MB 220 cabriolet taken from rear...the same was later moved near to a 300SL Coupe.
I read SACO already guessed that but I've strong clues that my pics comes from '54...
Just to add a better reference...
This is a picture from 1953 Turin Motor Show, you can identify the year by looking at the two american cars, the Mercury and the Lincoln Capri, both are model year 1953.
In the picture there is a 300 SL, but this is not the right motor show.
This is in you left picture.
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I think I found something but it's pretty hard to prove it...howhever:
In the left part of the pic you should recognize the MB 220 cabriolet taken from rear...the same was later moved near to a 300SL Coupe.
I read SACO already guessed that but I've strong clues that my pics comes from '54...
Just to add a better reference...
This is a picture from 1953 Turin Motor Show, you can identify the year by looking at the two american cars, the Mercury and the Lincoln Capri, both are model year 1953.
In the picture there is a 300 SL, but this is not the right motor show.
This is in you left picture.
If you look at your picture on the right, the cars around are the same... and the 300 SL has a number... maybe "21" from 1952 Le Mans 24??
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I think I found something but it's pretty hard to prove it...howhever:
In the left part of the pic you should recognize the MB 220 cabriolet taken from rear...the same was later moved near to a 300SL Coupe.
I read SACO already guessed that but I've strong clues that my pics comes from '54...
So I think it's clear the picture is not from 1954...
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Hmmm...I have the same pic as yours plus 2 more...and the stands were more or less in the same position the ones you can see in the background of the other pics here...I thought I recognized the white panel for the Giulietta too...but obviously you know better... :P
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If you are talking about the white convertible, that should be the 300 S you identified in reply #366.
Yes...that was my idea and my next guess would be the 300sl coupe...but I got it wrong it seems. :-\
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Perhaps a Fiat Giardinetta Coriasco behind the Bertone stand ?
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Hmmm...I have the same pic as yours plus 2 more...and the stands were more or less in the same position the ones you can see in the background of the other pics here...I thought I recognized the white panel for the Giulietta too...but obviously you know better... :P
The stands are almost in the same place... but if you look at my picture (reply#419) you can see the Siata stand in a different position, the Siata banner is just above the Volkswagen banner (so it's around the left of Alfa Romeo)... and in 1954 Siata was near Zagato and Moretti, in another position!
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And this is a picture from 1955, you can see the odd Rolls-Royce by Vignale, bodied in spring 1955.
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Perhaps a Fiat Giardinetta Coriasco behind the Bertone stand ?
It's a Fiat Giardinetta, but not by Coriasco.
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Perhaps a Fiat Giardinetta Coriasco behind the Bertone stand ?
It's a Fiat Giardinetta, but not by Coriasco.
Is it perhaps a Fiat 1100/103 giardinetta Monterosa?
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Perhaps a Fiat Giardinetta Coriasco behind the Bertone stand ?
It's a Fiat Giardinetta, but not by Coriasco.
Is it perhaps a Fiat 1100/103 giardinetta Monterosa?
Yes! Monterosa is the right coachbuilder.
I'm not sure about 1100, but according to the size it should be correct.
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Another Cadillac behind the Eldorado, a 54 Coupé de Ville.
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Another Cadillac behind the Eldorado, a 54 Coupé de Ville.
Yes! :)
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I would say this is a Fiat 682 RN with Viberti body.
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I would say this is a Fiat 682 RN with Viberti body.
Do you have a picture of it to compare?
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That's from a magazine about Turin '54.
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That's from a magazine about Turin '54.
I believe your bus is not the one indicated by the arrow, because the white(?) stripe below the windows is less large... and the grille seems different too... but you bus could be somewhere else...
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Perhaps a Simca sport for the 3rd car on Simca stand ?
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Perhaps a Simca sport for the 3rd car on Simca stand ?
Or perhaps another Alfa Romeo 1900 SS? The side positioned wipers, the window's and fender's lines could match.
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Perhaps a Simca sport for the 3rd car on Simca stand ?
Or perhaps another Alfa Romeo 1900 SS? The side positioned wipers, the window's and fender's lines could match.
targhediferro spotted the right car, it's in the Alfa Romeo stand, next to the Simca stand!
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Siata Stand, another "ghost car ". A 1954 Siata Fiat 1100 TV by Vignale.
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Siata Stand, another "ghost car ". A 1954 Siata Fiat 1100 TV by Vignale.
Really a ghost car... I've no evidence of the presence of this car in the show... but the picture seems clear...
So I give you this point...
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Watching the picture of Simca stand in answer 436, in the background between the two Arondes, I suppose we can see another Lancia Aurelia B12. According with it's position it should be the same car we can see the open boot in the picture of Lancia's stand (#68, on the left, under the yellow circle) and it hasn't been recognised yet.
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Watching the picture of Simca stand in answer 436, in the background between the two Arondes, I suppose we can see another Lancia Aurelia B12. According with it's position it should be the same car we can see the open boot in the picture of Lancia's stand (#68, on the left, under the yellow circle) and it hasn't been recognised yet.
Correct!
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Ghia-Serie Speciali stand : a 1954 Fiat 1100 called "De Luxe" with sunroof by Heppich from Germany.
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Ghia-Serie Speciali stand : a 1954 Fiat 1100 called "De Luxe" with sunroof by Heppich from Germany.
The one you pointed out is the 1100 "Quotidiana" already found by targhediferro (#19)
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Oh sorry, my mistake. I“ll try then car number 4.
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Oh sorry, my mistake. I“ll try then car number 4.
Yes, this one looks to have a sunroof... ;)
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So it seems that between this De Luxe with open roof and the Quotidiana #19, there is another 1100 Quotidiana.
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So it seems that between this De Luxe with open roof and the Quotidiana #19, there is another 1100 Quotidiana.
Although I'm not 100% sure about it, it could be correct, so I consider it solved too.
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According to my source, there were two 1100 DeLuxe by Ghia. One with sunroof, color : grigio piombo e celeste. This is the first one beside the Tutta Luce.
Next car : There is another 1900SS by Touring (black car) beside the light colored one, Touring stand.
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According to my source, there were two 1100 DeLuxe by Ghia. One with sunroof, color : grigio piombo e celeste. This is the first one beside the Tutta Luce.
which one is the "Tutta Luce" in the photo?
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According to my source, there were two 1100 DeLuxe by Ghia. One with sunroof, color : grigio piombo e celeste. This is the first one beside the Tutta Luce.
Next car : There is another 1900SS by Touring (black car) beside the light colored one, Touring stand.
Could you send me your source via PM?
The secondo, black, 1900 SS Touring is right!
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Is this a Mercedes-Benz 180?
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Is this a Mercedes-Benz 180?
It should be correct...
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According to my source, there were two 1100 DeLuxe by Ghia. One with sunroof, color : grigio piombo e celeste. This is the first one beside the Tutta Luce.
I have checked the info I have and you are right, it's another DeLuxe, not a Quotidiana.
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What about this puzzle? I'ts time to think about it...
Dear friends... you are working so hard to solve this puzzle... but does it still worth to be a real puzzle?
I mean, now we have only targhediferro and Joćo still in the race... and they should be awarded with more then 25 points!! Maybe it's time to stop the points?
I'm not saying the puzzle should die, but the competition between puzzlers is over, because one have to wait the other before posting another guess... the research is interesting, but maybe should be done in another way, with an open thread and no points...
Please let me know what you think about it!
If you agree I will award all the points and move this puzzle (where should I move it? Solved? Or better to Features, Stories and Photos?).
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I agree. I guess targhediferro and Joao have valuable sources unavailable to the others. ;)
Like most of the other puzzlers I just have the information available online, which is mostly exhausted. 25 points is a nice score, and it is about the maximum amount of points awarded in group puzzles to a single puzzler so far, I think. I don't think a single puzzle should be worth much more points, no matter how large it is.
The idea to carry on this puzzle without points is interesting. It would be challenging to reconstruct the whole exposition just by picture sources. But, as mentioned before, I am mainly out of the race. Great puzzle, though.
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I agree as well...I think 25 points are even too many. I have got an interesting source (perhaps not so detailed as Joao one), it's a sport magazine from 1954 with some pictures of the Turin Show (unluckily the same ones you can find on the net) but it also includes a plan of the Salon in which are specified the names of the Marques of each stands, and this is undoubtly usefull. I've no list of the cars present at the show.
Anyway, I would be glad to continue this addictive quiz and to discover all the cars from Turin '54 show, even if it will be a pointless quiz.
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Second that my friends, there“s no problem about it. I“m not here for the points. My source is a 1954 Auto Italiana magazine, that covers the show. There are a couple more sources but not as good as this one. Waiting was the hardest part. It“s your call Iluvatar. :)
Let“s do it! It“s addictive and I would like to see a nice detailed exposition!
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All right!
Now the puzzle is an open topic about the 1954 Turin Motor Show and the cars showed in that exhibition. Feel free to add any contribution you like to create a comprehensive review of that show.
I'll post soon something I have found. And maybe I'll do soon a review of all we have until now, to start again...
Now I add all the points.
Congratulation for all your contribution, past and future!
:applause: :applause: :applause:
PS-I have both Motor Italia and Auto Italiana as my sources... ;)
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I would like to know where was hidden the Panther ? ???
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I would like to know where was hidden the Panther ? ???
Probably it was in the Colli stand, near Accossato, IAME and Touring, but I'm not sure...
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I have a couple of pics showing the position of the Panther and few others, I'll upload them soon...I have to scan them again from my books because they got lost....
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A not very informative Panther picture:
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Near Vignale“s stand, behind the first row, Panther stand, I believe. Beside him you can see the Giardinetta Elaborata by Vignale. There were 9! Giardinettas by Viotti btw.
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:thumbsup:
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Ghia, Ghia-Serie Speciali, Monviso
MONVISO
1 - Fiat 1100 "Stella Filante" (white)
3 - Fiat 1100 cabriolet 2 posti (jade green)
5 - Fiat 1100 coupé 4 posti (light/dark blue)
22 - Fiat 1100 berlinetta 2/4 posti (red)
GHIA SERIE-SPECIALI
77 - Fiat 1400D "Commerciale" (blue/gray)
79 - Fiat 1100 "Commerciale"
108 - Fiat 1100 "De Luxe" with Heppich sunroof
109 - Fiat 1100 "De Luxe" (blue with lead-gray roof)
19 - Fiat 1100 "Quotidiana"
29 - Fiat 1100 "Tutta Luce" (red with black roof)
GHIA
8 - Chrysler GS (mountain blue)
14 - Fiat 1100 TV coupé 2 posti (met. gray)
2 - Fiat 1900 cabriolet (green)
4 - Fiat 8V "Supersonic" (green)
6 - Abarth-Alfa Romeo 2000 (white/blue)
7 - DeSoto Adventurer II
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thanks!
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Pinin Farina, Coriasco, Fissore, Monterosa, Bertone (+Bristol)
PININ FARINA
201 - Ferrari 375 MM (light blue?)
88 - Alfa Romeo 1900 TI berlina 4 posti (met. bottle green)
12 - Bentley Continental (met. gray)
20 - Lancia Aurelia PF200 cabriolet (black)
202 - Fiat 1100 TV (pea green, with wire wheels)
203 - Fiat 1100 TV (black)
204 - Nash-Healey
?? - Ferrari 250 Europa
?? - Lancia Aurelia PF200 coupé (met. gray)
CORIASCO
205 - Fiat 1100 "Tourist Transport" (bronze)
206 - Fiat 1400D "Tourist Trasport" (dark blue-gray)
FISSORE
30 - Fiat 1100 TV berlinetta (met. red)
31 - Fiat 1100 giardinetta
28 - Fiat 1100 TV berlinetta (met. gray)
MONTEROSA
207 - Fiat 1400D giardinetta
208 - Fiat 1100 giardinetta
209 - Fiat 1100 giardinetta (?)
?? - Fiat 1100 TV berlinetta
maybe other 1400D and 1100 giardinetta?
BERTONE
32 - Alfa Romeo 1900 SS BAT7 (mountain blue)
33 - Fiat 1100 "Cheetah" spider (cream white)
34 - Arnolt-Bristol spider (met. electric blue)
35 - Dodge Storm Z 250 (met. blue-gray with dark gray roof)
36 - Fiat 1100 TV berlinetta (met. bronze)
36b - Siata 208 coupé (!)
37 - Fiat 1100 "Derby" cabriolet
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I would be very glad if someone could tell me who's the coachbuilder of the 1100/103 familiare that is possible to see near the Panther. I see a label on the front fender but it's impossible to read, and the profile ends before the doors...Anybody knows somethings?
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Giardinetta by Vignale according to Auto Italiana.
1954 Autocar. Across the hall :
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This is my treasure map.
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This is my treasure map.
Wow! that's great!
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A bit incongruous - the Tempo stuck between huge Yank cars and Daimler-Benz. That must have looked odd.
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TdF: your map is fantastic!
look at the Fiat and VW stands in 1954: now the situation is very very different
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The famous Hudson Italia :
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... together with a Borgward Hansa 1800 four-door sedan and a Borgward Hansa 1800 woody to the right, and a Goliath GP 700 to the left.
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1954 Autocar. Across the hall :
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King Regards And Happy New Year!
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Great picture!! Thanks you! Unluckily I'm quite busy and cannot go on with the review of the cars from the 1954 show, but I don't give up and I will be back as soon as possible...
That caption... is it the "Dream" exhibition in Turin?
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No problem Iluvatar! Yes, it“s the Dream exhibition in Turin but that“s not me ;D
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Why did I always ignore this puzzle...
Nothing has happened here for a long time.
I think the Mercedes 300 S Convertible has been identified before.
So here is a view over the 1954 Turin show Porsche stand.
So, my new guesses which can be seen below are:
Ford 12M from Germany
Ford Consul from the UK
Ford Crestline Fordor Sedan
Porsche 356 Coupé
Porsche 550 Spyder
Tempo Wiking Bus
Tempo Matador Bus
Mercury 4dr Sedan or 2dr Coupé (hard to tell)
Lincoln Capri (Coupé) I guess.
The low white coupé in between the Mercury and the Lincoln I do not know...
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As I do not care about points, I show two photos of other stand far off.
I found a photo of stand #637 "Orlandi R."
Two busses can be clearly identified there.
In the foreground an OM Leoncino and in the background a Fiat 682 bus, both with Orlandi bodywork.
And I also found a photo of the Garavini stand #632
This should be a Fiat (1400?) based Garavini Ambulance...
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My last for today - the Kaiser Frazer stand.
In the foreground a Henry J
behind it a Chevrolet Bel Air or Delray
Judging the ground floor plan, the mentioned Oldsmobile seems to be missing or GM changed the car placement?
In the right background you can see the Autotutto bus at the Alfa Romeo stand, which has already been identified before.
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The low white coupé in between the Mercury and the Lincoln I do not know...
That should be a French Ford Comčte.
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Idiot me... That sounds so reasonable as they show Ford cars from many different countries there...
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Great to see this thread back alive! I must admit I have little time to follow autopuzzles and I don't know when I'll be able to come back on this topic, BTW I'm happy to see new entries to this huge "puzzle"...
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I really do not care about points here.
Are any photos ok, that show cars from this magnificent event if they are identifyable with their name and the location at the fair?
I know I did not really stick to your rules... ;)
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It is not a points puzzle anymore, I think.
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I really do not care about points here.
Are any photos ok, that show cars from this magnificent event if they are identifyable with their name and the location at the fair?
I know I did not really stick to your rules... ;)
Don't worry about the rules... every contribution is useful!