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SOLVED: si_393 - VW - 30 Tourer - by Sindelfingen - 1937
« on: May 11, 2023, 06:18:16 PM »
An interesting convertible, isn't it?
If you want to get a point for this, name the manufacturer, type, coachbuilder and year of construction.

Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_393
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2023, 01:44:45 PM »
Up to the Experts.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_393
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2023, 02:08:15 PM »
Is there any connection to a VW Kubelwagen?
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Re: si_393
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2023, 02:24:18 PM »
There is a relationship.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_393
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2023, 07:02:43 PM »
Is the car based on a VW Kubelwagen?
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Re: si_393
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2023, 12:12:40 AM »
Porsche V-2, an open tourer, now with the headlights on the front wings. Pictured around 1938. It is a further development of the early V-2 that started around 1934/35 with the headlights below the bonnet.

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Re: si_393
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2023, 07:44:49 AM »
Is the car based on a VW Kubelwagen?
The puzzle car was built before the Kübelwagen.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_393
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2023, 07:54:31 AM »
Porsche V-2, an open tourer, now with the headlights on the front wings. Pictured around 1938. It is a further development of the early V-2 that started around 1934/35 with the headlights below the bonnet.
I don't know of a Porsche V-2 and your dates are different. But there is a connection to Porsche.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_393
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2023, 09:50:37 AM »
Developed by Porsche, VW-3 serie with some details of the VW 30-serie, Typ 60. Built at Daimler -Benz Sindelfingen, ca 1936/37

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Re: si_393
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2023, 11:08:50 AM »
confusing, here again "V-2". Year 1937


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Re: si_393
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2023, 12:41:56 PM »
... "V" stands for Versuchswagen or prototype.

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Re: si_393
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2023, 04:54:18 PM »
Locked for hermanoto. Yes, you are right, the puzzle car belongs to a small series of VW test vehicles built by Daimler-Benz in Sindelfingen. There is a bit of confusion in your description, please put it in a coherent order.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_393
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2023, 02:38:57 AM »
It is a convertible prototype for the KDF-Wagen developped by Ferdinand Porsche, registration plate: IIIA-37022, see att.

The saloon cars were named V-1 ("Versuchwagen"), the cabriolet V-2. The first V-2 was built at Porsche's home in Stuttgart and was ready in december 1935. Later on the V-2 became an headlight upgrade. The headlights moved from the center of the car into the fenders. This was executed around 1937.

In 1937 a serie of 30 SALOON cars, the W-30, were produced at Daimler-Benz in Sindelfingen. NOT mentioned is that also a convertible was produced.

Because of this I think the pictured convertible was also built and /or upgraded at Porsche`s.




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Re: si_393
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2023, 05:45:45 PM »
There are indeed sources that assume that the VW 30 series from Daimler-Benz also included a cabriolet. The existing photos also give the impression that the distance between the door and the rear wing is greater in the puzzle cabriolet than in the V2 prototype.
We will probably not be able to finally clarify this here, so here is the next point for you, hermanoto.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: SOLVED: si_393 - VW - 30 Tourer - by Sindelfingen - 1937
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2023, 12:39:43 PM »
The pictured convertible is a W30 as it was built on the chassis #22 of the W30 series. The body however was the body of the V2 but modernized and altered at the front half.

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Re: SOLVED: si_393 - VW - 30 Tourer - by Sindelfingen - 1937
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2023, 09:17:53 AM »
Thank you for this detailed additional information.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke