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Re: si_114
« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2021, 02:18:14 AM »
Proprietry engine shared with other brands?
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Re: si_114
« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2021, 02:43:55 AM »
I don't know.
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Re: si_114
« Reply #52 on: November 03, 2021, 08:36:29 AM »
Horizontally opposed cylinders?
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Re: si_114
« Reply #53 on: November 03, 2021, 09:20:29 AM »
Yes, nearly.
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_114
« Reply #54 on: November 03, 2021, 03:05:55 PM »
Vee cylinders?
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Re: si_114
« Reply #55 on: November 03, 2021, 03:12:37 PM »
Difficult question to answer. Cylinders nearly horizontal, crankshaft built like a V-engine.
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_114
« Reply #56 on: November 04, 2021, 09:43:14 AM »
More than 110 degrees?
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Re: si_114
« Reply #57 on: November 04, 2021, 10:41:38 AM »
Around 150 degrees.
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_114
« Reply #58 on: November 05, 2021, 02:19:16 PM »
Civilian or used by the authorities?
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Re: si_114
« Reply #59 on: November 05, 2021, 04:46:27 PM »
As well as... ;)
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Re: si_114
« Reply #60 on: November 06, 2021, 08:57:12 AM »
Military issue?
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Re: si_114
« Reply #61 on: November 06, 2021, 09:30:02 AM »
Also civilian.
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Re: si_114
« Reply #62 on: November 12, 2021, 04:31:41 PM »
Professionals are now in demand.
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_114
« Reply #63 on: November 12, 2021, 06:38:58 PM »
Puch P 800 1936. 165°-792ccm-4-cylinder-engine, 20 HP, only 550 examples produced
« Last Edit: November 12, 2021, 06:51:35 PM by fromwien »
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Re: si_114
« Reply #64 on: November 12, 2021, 06:58:10 PM »
Some pictures attached
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Re: si_114
« Reply #65 on: November 12, 2021, 07:26:33 PM »
Some Puch P 800 engine infos (and difference between V-engine and boxer-engine):
V-engine: Two connecting rods on a common crank pin
Boxer-engine: The connecting rods of opposing cylinders are mounted on their own crankshaft throws, which are offset by 180 ° from one another

See these principles at the attached six-cylinder sketch

Please compare with the anatomy of the Puch P 800 engine
« Last Edit: November 13, 2021, 05:50:25 AM by fromwien »
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Re: si_114
« Reply #66 on: November 13, 2021, 12:40:04 PM »
Yes, you are right, it is a Puch 800. No wonder, there are only 200 km between Vienna and Graz ;)
The description of boxer and wide-angle v-engines are very informative and will certainly make some users smarter. But there are other informations about the cylinder angle. They tells that the cylinders are raised by 16 degrees each, that makes complete 180 degrees minus 32 degrees, i.e. 158 degrees cylinder angle. But there is still something to be clarified: my main-question is: "What is shown in the picture". And that is not the complete motorbike but only a specific component. Which compnent?
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_114
« Reply #67 on: November 13, 2021, 12:51:09 PM »
Quote from: sichel on October 29, 2021, 03:52:34 PM
Richard, You are right, it is the gear indicator of a manual gearbox. No German manufactorer. So, go on searching, good luck!
Thought you accepted this as an answer?
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Re: si_114
« Reply #68 on: November 13, 2021, 01:06:53 PM »
For double points I can be picky  ;) The Puch 800 gearbox differs in one important respect from other hand-operated motorbike gearboxes and therefore has the gear indicator.
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_114
« Reply #69 on: November 13, 2021, 02:22:05 PM »
Overdrive mechanism?
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Re: si_114
« Reply #70 on: November 13, 2021, 02:24:26 PM »
No overdrive. Locked for 'fromwien' to clear this last detail.
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Re: si_114
« Reply #71 on: November 13, 2021, 02:39:50 PM »
The four-speed gearbox was operated by means of an automatic gearshift - after the gear change, the hand lever clicked back into neutral.
The indicator on the shift linkage, prominent part of your picture, showed which gear is engaged at the moment
« Last Edit: November 13, 2021, 02:49:18 PM by fromwien »
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Re: si_114
« Reply #72 on: November 13, 2021, 03:04:14 PM »
Yes, thats it!!! Two more points. Another interesting detail: the gearshift linkage is inserted through a hole in the main frame tube. And here another histroc photo, you like so much.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2021, 03:06:22 PM by sichel »
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Re: SOLVED: si_114 - Puch - SV 800 - 1936
« Reply #73 on: November 13, 2021, 04:35:04 PM »
Many thanks to show this Austrian motorcycle icon and its specialities our 'AutoPuzzles'-community. And for the historic pictures!
A Puch-brochure attached
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