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Solved - NEH 5559: BMW City (E5) - 1967
« on: June 06, 2020, 07:05:35 AM »
What's this, by whom, from when - for 1 point?

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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2020, 08:44:50 AM »
Experts?
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2020, 12:05:50 PM »
Glas/BMW touring?
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2020, 04:37:59 PM »
It is a Glas, yes, and the BMW Touring was developed from it, so you're at least half way there.
But I still need answers to the other questions: what was it called, who was it by and from when does it date?
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2020, 05:13:04 PM »
Glas X2L Frua 1964/65
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2020, 07:28:41 AM »
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2020, 09:30:48 AM »
1971 Glas/BMW Studio for a "Touring"-version, based on a BMW 1600
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2020, 09:48:15 AM »
Sorry, more Internet misinformation!

It's based on a Glas (which one?) but was known as a BMW..
Year is quite a long way out.
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2020, 09:56:20 AM »
On the way, to solve this puzzle, you have sent me a link to an older solved puzzle,...
https://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2012-41/solved-neh-2248-frua-glas-10041704-x2l-prototype-1965/msg242593/#msg242593,...

... where the car on the picture has been identified as the "Frua Glas 1004/1704 X2L prototype - 1965"

I fear, that's totally wrong.
Here within, I send you a picture of a drawing, made in Frua-Studios, which shows a 3-door-berlina, named X2L, based on a Glas 1004.
The former 4-door puzzle-car isn't a "Frua Glas 1004/1704 X2L prototype - 1965", but "Frua Glas 1004/1704 Limousine II – Project X3L from 1964":
Comment 328: Stefan Dierkes, Uwe Gusen, Matthias Herrmann & Andreas Schey
(to check on pietro-frua.de-website:
"Four-door small car based on the Glas GT with an longer wheelbase (extended by 8 cm); Planned for 1968-production  with engines from 1.0 to 1.7 liters displacement as a successor to the Glas 1004–1304 (Rosellen 1985: p. 110).
Designation by Terasa (1984c) and later authors (Kraxenberger & Mader 2003, Gusen 2012) incorrectly X2L; This is how Pietro Frua called his stylistically related 2-door design."
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2020, 10:03:38 AM »
No internet informations, all out of very confident car literature ("Libreria Automotoclub Storico Italiano, Torino" !!!)
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2020, 10:15:20 AM »
You are correct about my earlier puzzle.
It may well have been sourced from incorrect web-based information at the time and the correct information might not have been available anywhere.  New info is being added all the time of course.
The 2-door X2L never actually progressed beyond renderings.
I'll change the title of my earlier puzzle; thanks.
Back to the new puzzle then....
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2020, 10:18:24 AM »
Quote from: fromwien on June 21, 2020, 10:03:38 AM
No internet informations, all out of very confident car literature ("Libreria Automotoclub Storico Italiano, Torino" !!!)

Wherever it came from it doesn't appear to be correct..
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2020, 10:36:54 AM »
I have sent you my infos to your puzzle previously:
Frua drew a 2-door hatchback-version (X2L) for Glas, based on a Glas 1004, in 1965. Two years later (Glas has been sold to BMW), Hans Werner Bönsch remembered about these drawings, and developed (together with Wilfried Ball) a hatchback-two-door-limousine, based on the X2L-drawings of Frua.

The base was still the Glas 1004 (you see the 5 wheel nuts, instead of 4 on the BMWs). At first, they planned to use the 60-HP-Glas-engine of the Glas1304,  later they chose BMW M10, out of the 1600-2.

Conclusio: Glas (base 1004)/BMW (engine) with Frua-based-bodywork, restyled by Bönsch and Ball

BMW 1600 Studio 1971
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2020, 01:05:43 PM »
BMW1600 Studio 1971 is not the right answer, as already said.

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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2020, 02:20:59 PM »
Glas 1600 Touring
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2020, 03:05:50 PM »
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Glas 1600 Touring

No, none of those words are part of its name!
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2020, 06:13:40 AM »
BMW 1604?
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2020, 06:19:48 AM »
No, but it does have a BMW moniker.
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2020, 06:29:53 AM »
BMW 1600-3?
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2020, 06:41:36 AM »
No..
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2020, 02:31:18 AM »
BMW 1603 ?
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2020, 03:49:38 AM »
No!
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2020, 03:17:55 AM »
BMW 1604 ti ?
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2020, 03:47:53 AM »
No; it doesn't have any BMW or Glas numbers in it like 1600 or 1704.
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Re: NEH 5559
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2020, 04:14:59 AM »
Something with "...Klasse"?
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