Author Topic: SOLVED: FW #343: Lancia Augusta, bodywork by Chausson, 1935  (Read 2716 times)

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Re: FW #343
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2022, 07:25:40 AM »
Not Lancia, not Belna or not Portout?
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Re: FW #343
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2022, 12:13:02 PM »
Only Lancia is correct
(Sorry, please only one question each. My last answer was the response on how you wanted to have the car recognized)
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Re: FW #343
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2022, 03:50:02 PM »
This is a basic difficulty with multi-part questions..  If you are asking for more than one thing, a Boolean "No" can be misleading.  You should give a clear "Yes" or "No" to each part answer.  It's only fair.
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Re: FW #343
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2022, 06:14:50 PM »
This is a basic difficulty with multi-part questions..  If you are asking for more than one thing, a Boolean "No" can be misleading.  You should give a clear "Yes" or "No" to each part answer.  It's only fair.
A question like, "Lancia Belna Portout Drophead Coupe" identifies a specific car and  includes most of the puzzle questions.
But the puzzle car isn't this specific car.

If you read the rules carefully, the questioner should ask the puzzle setter only one specific question. This makes perfect sense, because this rule allows several participants to reach the goal with different approaches.
If you break down a question into all its individual parts, strange constructs can take the game ad absurdum:

"German Lancia on Renault chassis from 1935 with British bodywork by Kellner from 1939?"

To be honest: In case of this puzzle, where you think to be in need to criticize my answer without being affected by yourself, I had been consistent asked for a specific car, which the puzzle car isn't.
If the question would have been: Lancia by Pourtout? My answer would have been: Lancia: Yes, Pourtout: No.
Although my answer wouldn't have followed then the rules correctly, this would have been a concession.

You are very welcome to ask a question about this car, which leads to the solution. The actual goal of the game, if I understood it correctly
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Re: FW #343
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2022, 06:16:30 AM »
It always has been normal here on AP to acknowledge if a part of an answer is correct, so the normal answer to the question "Lancia Belna Portout Drophead Coupe?" would be something like "It is a Lancia but not that one."
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Re: FW #343
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2022, 08:48:22 AM »
Sorry, for a high percentage I feel sure, that the questioner asked for a specific car, after the find of the attached picture of a "Lancia Belna DHC Pourtout". I will repeat once more, this isn't the puzzle car. His question contained all the references to this one specific car!
The puzzle car isn't a Lancia Belna and not from Pourtout. So it isn't that car

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Re: FW #343
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2022, 10:38:58 AM »
But it's a Lancia, and one of your questions was "Make?" so should have been acknowledged!
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Re: FW #343
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2022, 11:52:41 AM »
OK, thanks for quick response and explanation, which also correctly enables me to go into all the details of the puzzle-setter's questioning with only a single reply.

I just don't think this is effective, prevents the already weak dynamics even more and prefers people, who do not investigate but try "lucky punches"

Example:
Puzzle-setter: Please identify this car: Make? Chassis? Engine? Coachbuilder?
Puzzle-participant: French?
Puzzle-setter: Has to answer with "Yes" and "No" specific to "Make, chassis, engine and coachbuilder"

Of course, from now on, I will follow these rules exactly

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Re: FW #343
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2022, 12:28:39 PM »
But it's not quite so black and white.
If the answer to one of those questions is 'French' then you can answer 'partly'.
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Re: FW #343
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2022, 05:33:37 AM »
Lancia Augusta?
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Re: FW #343
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2022, 01:37:49 PM »
Yes, it is. Three trials to find coachbuilder and year
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Re: FW #343
« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2022, 03:20:01 AM »
Farina 1934?
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Re: FW #343
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2022, 05:53:14 AM »
No, but we know that the coachbuilder is a French one. The year is one step next the right one.

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Re: FW #343
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2022, 01:39:59 PM »
Figoni?
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Re: FW #343
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2022, 04:27:18 PM »
No

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Re: FW #343
« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2022, 07:12:12 AM »
Kellner?
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Re: FW #343
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2022, 07:35:58 AM »
Not Kellner

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Re: FW #343
« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2022, 01:16:23 AM »
Last French guess. Chapron?
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Re: FW #343
« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2022, 01:49:49 AM »
Sorry, no
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Re: FW #343
« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2022, 03:32:06 AM »
Paul Née?
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Re: FW #343
« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2022, 04:44:41 AM »
No

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Re: FW #343
« Reply #46 on: September 23, 2022, 07:08:46 AM »
Hibbard?
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Re: FW #343
« Reply #47 on: September 23, 2022, 08:41:04 AM »
No

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Re: FW #343
« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2022, 04:33:28 PM »
Georges Paulin hood design?
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Re: FW #343
« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2022, 02:02:58 AM »
No