Topic: Solved: DAR 83 : Gipsy 2000 1973

[D-type]

Name this car and the year please

[D-type]

Time for the experts

[Shamrock 2]

Costello SP 7 sports racer

[Shamrock 2]

1973

[D-type]

Costello SP 7 sports racer

No

1973

Correct

[richard fridd]

Darren?

[Shamrock 2]

Definitely  not a Daren

[D-type]

No, not a Daren or Darren

[richard fridd]

Momo Conrero?

[D-type]

Not a Momo and not a Conrero engine

[D-type]

The Experts seem to have lost interest so it's up to the Pros.

[fromwien]

Gipsy 2000 built by Giancarlo Guidetti, Fiat Dino V6 engine, driver Luigi Moreschi, 1973

[D-type]

I could say "No", but that would be misleading.  I'll simply ask for the full name according to my source.

[gte4289]

Please lock for fromwien!

By the way, I've seen some sources where the car is referred to as simply the "Gipsy 2000" but most sources do use additional designations to identify the various versions.

[fromwien]

I could say "No", but that would be misleading.  I'll simply ask for the full name according to my source.

IF YOU SAY 'NO', SO IT IS:

NOT GIPSY (Make)?
NOT 2000 (Type)?
NOT FIAT DINO V6 (engine)?
NOT by GIANCARLO GIUDETTI (builder)?
NOT LUIGI MORESCHI (driver)?

PLEASE BE SO KIND AND CONFIRM, THAT EVERYTHING MENTIONED WITH MY ANSWER IS WRONG

I can tell you, I have the race program to 'Coppa Alta Garfagnana 1973', where the picture of the puzzle car has been taken. Secondly I ever had good contact to Luigi Moreschi, as we met at several hill-climbs in Italy, while racing there

The 'nickname' of the Gipsy, type P 272 ('P' for 'Prototype', '2' for '2000ccm', '72' for '1972', the building date) was sometimes 'Shangry-La', if 'Romano Martini' drove the car (which he often did). 'Shangry-La' was his personal pseudonym
And to be honest: You asked for the name only and year!! Isn't this a 'Gipsy'?? Isn't it '1973'? Did you ask for a nickname? Did you ask for a 'type'? Why not locking, if you get the right name, and asking further, if your source (I hope a reliable one, and not FB, etc) mentions another name (see post 'gte4289')?



DEAR 'D-TYPE':

MY GIVEN INFORMATION IS FOR EVERYONE, WHO WANTS TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS CAR AND DON'T WANT TO BE SUPPLIED WITH HALF-KNOWLEDGE AND ONLY HUNTS FOR A POINT

WHEN AWARDING A POINT, PLEASE AWARD THIS TO 'gte4289' WHO I APPRECIATE AS A VERY WORTHY AUTO-PUZZLES-PLAYER BECAUSE OF HIS VERY HONOURABLE ANSWER, WHICH YOU DON'T MIGHT LIKE TO READ.
HE POSTED THE PICTURE OF THE CAR OUT OF A VERY SPECIAL ITALIAN BOOK, WHICH DESCRIBES THE CAR IN ALL ITS DETAILS. THE SAME SOURCE AS I HAVE
ANOTHER PICTURE OF THE CAR, RACING WITH MORESCHI AT THE WHEEL IN 1973 ADDED

FOR SURE, I DON'T WANT TO BE AWARDED WITH A POINT FROM YOU. I ONLY WANT THEM FROM FAIR PLAYERS

[fromwien]

Please lock for fromwien!

By the way, I've seen some sources where the car is referred to as simply the "Gipsy 2000" but most sources do use additional designations to identify the various versions.

Dear 'gte4289', thank you so much, for your highly appreciated fairness! Much more worth than any point

[D-type]

The name I have is Gipsy -? It is not Gipsy-Fiat
The other information you provided is correct which is why I did not say a simple "No" but it is incomplete.
The name I am looking for is Gipsy-? and it is not Gipsy-Fiat

[fromwien]

Gipsy 2000 built by Giancarlo Guidetti, Fiat Dino V6 engine, driver Luigi Moreschi, 1973

The name I have is Gipsy -? It is not Gipsy-Fiat
The other information you provided is correct which is why I did not say a simple "No" but it is incomplete.
The name I am looking for is Gipsy-? and it is not Gipsy-Fiat

The name I have is Gipsy -? It is not Gipsy-Fiat SORRY, I NEVER WROTE GIPSY-FIAT. Please be so kind and read my answers carefully
The other information you provided is correct which is why I did not say a simple "No" but it is incomplete. How generous? Not worth a lock??
The name I am looking for is Gipsy-? and it is not Gipsy-Fiat. And I never wrote Gipsy-Fiat.

If you are looking for the exact type of the car (which you aren't asking for), it is: Gipsy 2000, CP4 P272
 
(Race program 'Coppa Alta Garfagnana 1973', where the puzzle-picture has been taken, simply says Gipsy 2000. That's why I gave you this designation within my first reply)

Some details to Gipsy 2000, CP4 / P 272
In autumn 1971 Giancarlo Guidetti asked Paolo Cassoni to design a new sport prototype for 1972 season.
Paolo Cassoni designed the chassis, the suspension, the radiators positioning, the intake manifolds and some other important particulars within one month and built all the parts at Gianni Brignoli mechanical workshop, placed in Parma. In the meanwhile Guidetti rented an hangar near Milan (Cologno Monzese) where the car was set up. ‚CP4‘ for ‚Cassoni Paolo #4‘

Technical details to Gipsy CP4/P 272:
Sport prototype with 2-litre Dino V6 engine, Kugelfischer fuel injection (Porsche boxer 6 cyl.) with new intake manifolds to fit Dino V6 designed by Cassoni (the model was produced by Camattini, Parma), the 225 HP-Dino V6-engine prepared by Fren Nazareno. Hewland FT200-gearbox.
Body-design by Laurenti from Bologna
Driver: mostly Shangri-La (Romano Martini from Florence)
Main sponsor: Mr. Rankl Aigner (who had a shop in Florence managed by a friend of Shangri-La) with “Etienne Aigner” brand easily recognizable by the horseshoe.
Race results and pictures with all changes up to 1976 available

[fromwien]

Attached your FB-source with scarce details

[D-type]

I  did not say "No" because you were so close that I felt it would be unfair and misleading to do so.

I originally found it on another source than the one you have posted, but the picture was poor so I found the clearer one that I posted by googling.

"not Gipsy-Fiat" was a broad hint that should point you towards the name that was used on the website where I originally found the car.  Remember it's a "Dino" engine, and who designed the "Dino" and what name would look more impressive in a newspaper article.

I didn't lock it because I thought you would come up with the other name immediately.  Perhaps I should have - my apologies.

It is locked for you now.

[fromwien]

Dear 'D-type',
please apologies, but now this puzzle turns out to be a bit of a joke for me.

Once a time the car has been called in an advertisement 'Gipsy Ferrari'

If you are searching for this 'name', I have to state, that using such name might be a good sales strategy, but is completely wrong:
The 'Dino 206 GT' was never called and badged as a 'Ferrari'. The Fiat Dinos never used Ferrari-engines, but Dino-engines! And our puzzle-car used a Dino V6  engine!
I only agree, that the Dino-206-engines and Fiat-Dino-engines, except from the carbs and exhaust headers, were the same.

Trust the special and reliable literature, the people, who built the car and slightly me, there are only these three possibilities available, nam,ing this car correctly:
1) Gipsy 2000 (mostly used)
2) Gipsy 2000 tipo 272 (often used)
3) Gipsy 2000 CP4 P272 (the most correct designation. Please be so kind and read descriptions and specifications)

I added the funny advertisement to this reply
Some historic articles never mentioning the name Ferrari, but 2000 and Fiat

[gte4289]

Once a time the car has been called in an advertisement 'Gipsy Ferrari'

If you are searching for this 'name', I have to state, that using such name might be a good sales strategy, but is completely wrong

I have to agree. I don't believe any credible source would refer to this car as a "Gipsy Ferrari." It's either the "Gipsy 2000" or "Gipsy Dino 2000," often followed by the designation "P271," P272," or even "P273."

[D-type]

The site I found it on definitely referred to it as the Gypsy-Ferrari and gave a brief history saying it was based on the Dulon L10.  It included more than one picture of the car.  It may well have been a sales site.
I'm fully aware of the history of the Dino and its Ferrari ancestry and manufacture by Fiat.  It amused me to see it referred to as Ferrari engined which it patently is not, so I elected to post it as a puzzle  As it transpires it was only a couple of sales sites that named it thus which were the ones I found.  There's a limit to how far you can go to verify a puzzle before posting it.

All I can do now is apologise for not verifying the name with due diligence and award you the point and describe the car in the title as "Gipsy 2000"

[fromwien]

Dear 'D-type',
never mind! Mistakes can always happen, no problem at all, but, please be so kind, and check your replies carefully to avoid any unnecessary following discussions.

If you would have answered, like, "Gipsy is right, locked for you to find the additional designation according to my source", you would have stayed tuned to the principles of this site

There was a Dulon connection. The Gipsy P271 shows similarities with the Dulon LD10 (see pictures attached)
Furthermore a Gipsy Dulon FF was once advertised by Gipsy-company (also picture attached)