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Re: PN #1501
« Reply #50 on: July 06, 2023, 01:49:58 PM »
1956-58?

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Re: PN #1501
« Reply #51 on: July 06, 2023, 11:13:49 PM »
I believe it is older - early 1950s. As I said earlier the company produced stationary engines and also tractors.Try to find such Hungarian companies.
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Re: PN #1501
« Reply #52 on: July 07, 2023, 03:12:44 AM »
Dutra?

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Re: PN #1501
« Reply #53 on: July 07, 2023, 06:28:25 AM »
no
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Re: PN #1501
« Reply #54 on: July 07, 2023, 06:47:16 AM »
Vörös Csillag Traktorgyár?
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: PN #1501
« Reply #55 on: July 07, 2023, 06:49:48 AM »
MAVAG?

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Re: PN #1501
« Reply #56 on: July 07, 2023, 04:14:14 PM »
Vörös Csillag Traktorgyár?

That's the same as Dutra. Dutra was produced by this factory. So no

And not MAVAG either
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Re: PN #1501
« Reply #57 on: July 07, 2023, 04:28:35 PM »
I'm sorry, I always skipped Hungarian lessons. :huh:
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: PN #1501
« Reply #58 on: July 08, 2023, 01:21:21 AM »
I'm sorry, I always skipped Hungarian lessons. :huh:

no worries, now you learn :)
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Re: PN #1501
« Reply #59 on: July 08, 2023, 02:08:35 AM »
Óbudai Hajógyár?

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Re: PN #1501
« Reply #60 on: July 08, 2023, 06:51:35 AM »
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Re: PN #1501
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2023, 09:39:40 AM »
ATRA Works, Pesterzsébet?

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Re: PN #1501
« Reply #62 on: July 08, 2023, 03:56:49 PM »
no, no. How can I help you?

Let's make it relatively easy. Think of a famous Hungarian motoring person. And try to figure out what happened to his own company after it was nationalised
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Re: PN #1501
« Reply #63 on: July 08, 2023, 06:01:32 PM »
Ganz?

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Re: PN #1501
« Reply #64 on: July 08, 2023, 10:09:39 PM »
Kismotor- és Gépgyár?

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Re: PN #1501
« Reply #65 on: July 09, 2023, 10:35:42 AM »
Kismotor- és Gépgyár?

Congratulations! The first point is yours

János Csonka, the man who did not invent the carburetor but was responsible for many early Hungarian cars which he designed while he was foreman at the workshop of the Royal Hungarian Technical University set up his own company in the 1920s. It became Kismotor és Gépgyár (Small engines and Machine Factory) after it was nationalised.

This little factory tug was probably just a side project as it was not mentioned in their official catalogs. But one still survived.

Would you like to have a go at the designation? Same as one of their engines
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Re: PN #1501
« Reply #66 on: July 09, 2023, 06:38:22 PM »
Would you like to have a go at the designation? Same as one of their engines
Is it an alpha-numeric designation (e.g., SF-2)?
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Re: PN #1501
« Reply #67 on: July 10, 2023, 06:09:43 AM »
exactly
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Re: Solved: PN #1501 -- Kismotor és Gépgyár SF-2 tug
« Reply #68 on: July 11, 2023, 04:20:43 PM »
Thanks for the interesting puzzle. I can't imagine how or where you first encountered this one.

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Re: Solved: PN #1501 -- Kismotor és Gépgyár SF-2 tug
« Reply #69 on: July 12, 2023, 09:22:10 AM »
Thanks for the interesting puzzle. I can't imagine how or where you first encountered this one.

I did not. Back in the 1960s stván Zsuppán started collecting materials on old Hungarian cars. His method was very focused - once he told me that he visited a former motorcycle champion and left alone all of his photos, because those were not depicting cars! So he amassed a great collection of photos and then wrote articles and books based on his interviews with those who were there (from the 1900s) and on old magazine articles. Unfortunately archival research was not his strongest forte, so his books etc. had to be revised and rewritten. But his life and works needs to be acknowledged. This is a photo he found.
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