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SOLVED: si_450 - Opel - P4 - by Stolle
« on: July 30, 2023, 02:05:13 PM »
Another moving suitcase.
What kind of vehicle, where did the body come from?
One point for the correct answer.
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_450
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2023, 07:53:29 AM »
Up to the Experts.
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_450
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2023, 12:05:30 PM »
Well, does a professional know more?
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_450
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2023, 12:35:53 PM »
Opel 1938 1,1 L by Stolle for Horstmann & Sender ?
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Re: si_450
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2023, 01:33:37 PM »
Opel: Yes
1938: I don't know exactly, but it can't be because:
1,1 L: No. The displacement is correct, but the type designation is different.
Stolle: Yes
Horstmann & Sander: Yes. If you want to buy leather goods in Hanover, you can do so at Horstmann & Sander since 1884.
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_450
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2023, 01:49:50 PM »
All I know about it was found un WheelsAge, i.e. Opel 1,1 Liter mit Sonderaufbau von Stolle (1196) '1938
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Re: si_450
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2023, 02:13:52 PM »
same here...
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Re: si_450
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2023, 06:24:53 PM »
First of all, I'm locking this puzzle for pguillem. Sorry, I forgot to do that last time.
Please have a look at WheelsAge for another Opel from this period with 1100 cc engine capacity. You will find a strong resemblance... From the mid 1930s onwards Opel stopped using displacement figures in the type designation for new models, making a 1.1 L unlikely.
But if there is no clear solution, there will be a double title for this puzzle. 
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_450
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2023, 03:52:40 PM »
pguillem, are you still on board with this puzzle?
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_450
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2023, 05:59:10 PM »
Strange. I wrote an answer about one week ago but I don't see it. Maybe did I forgot to send it ?

Anyway. On the same page, I foond a very similar-looking Opel 1,1 Liter Kastenwagen, but as it is a 1100 cc engine, it can't be the answer.

I'm stuck. Sorry.
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Re: si_450
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2023, 03:12:09 PM »
1.1 litres is OK. But there is another type designation for this series. Locked for another try, if you want.
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: si_450
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2023, 03:26:14 PM »
P 4 ?
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Re: si_450
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2023, 04:57:01 PM »
Yes!! It is a Opel P4 by Stolle. And that results in the next point for you
As already mentioned, Opel changed the model designations from displacement volume to names in the mid-1930s (e.g. P4, Kadett...), certainly for German-speaking countries. In export, the displacement was still used in some cases, the Super 6, for example, was also called Opel 2.5. For the Puzzle vehicle, built in Hanover for a customer in Hanover, the designation "P4" was used in all probability. It is quite possible that vehicles of the same construction were also called "1.1 Litre" in the Expport.
 
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A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

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Re: SOLVED: si_450 - Opel - P4 - by Stolle
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2023, 08:53:51 PM »
Thanks a lot for your help. It was very appreciated.  ;D
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