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Re: FW #192
« Reply #75 on: August 08, 2023, 07:53:45 AM »
Massey Bros?

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Re: FW #192
« Reply #76 on: August 08, 2023, 09:50:14 AM »
Right and one more point for you

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Re: SOLVED: FW #192: Mercedes 170 S Shooting Brake by GRP Massey Bros., 1954
« Reply #77 on: August 08, 2023, 04:03:16 PM »
Thank you for the puzzle and for the point!

I have a questions, however. Does your source identify the coachbuilder as simply "Massey," or does it specifically identify Massey Bros from Wigan? Does it provide an approximate date for the coachwork and/or the name of the client? Can you share the original image and text from your source? I ask for two reasons:

1. I have records of every vehicle bodied by Massey Bros, beginning with a Ford Model T lorry in October 1919, and ending fifty years later with a Guy Arab V bus in October 1969. This Mercedes-Benz doesn't appear anywhere in the records. In fact, the records include no estate/shooting brake bodies whatsoever. (They are almost entirely bus bodies with an occasional commercial lorry or van.)

2. Coachbuilder Robert B. Massey and Co of Yorkshire performed a number of estate/shooting brake and woody conversions.

So, I'm wondering if perhaps there has been some confusion between the two "Massey" coachbuilders.

A few examples of bodies by Robert B. Massey and Co (all on Riley chassis):





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Re: SOLVED: FW #192: Mercedes 170 S Shooting Brake by GRP Massey Bros., 1954
« Reply #78 on: August 09, 2023, 06:08:38 AM »
Usually I will share the original image and text from my source, but I fear, all data of my puzzles are lost forever, due to a HD-crash. I rather know, that I've found the picture of the car in a British Classic Car Magazine, 'Classic Cars' or 'Classic and Sports Cars'. I fear, I or the authors of the article mixed up something with "GRP Massey Bros."
"GRP Massey" mainly built fridge-superstructures. I ignored "GRP" and had an eye on "Massey Bros."
But where was "GRP Massey" located and when founded?

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Re: SOLVED: FW #192: Mercedes 170 S Shooting Brake by GRP Massey Bros., 1954
« Reply #79 on: August 10, 2023, 02:26:08 PM »
Usually I will share the original image and text from my source, but I fear, all data of my puzzles are lost forever, due to a HD-crash. I rather know, that I've found the picture of the car in a British Classic Car Magazine, 'Classic Cars' or 'Classic and Sports Cars'. I fear, I or the authors of the article mixed up something with "GRP Massey Bros."
"GRP Massey" mainly built fridge-superstructures. I ignored "GRP" and had an eye on "Massey Bros."
But where was "GRP Massey" located and when founded?
Robert B. Massey & Co Ltd was founded in 1946 and grew to include several dealerships, coachbuilding facilities, and other automotive businesses at various locations in and around Yorkshire (e.g., Hull, Beverly, York, Market Weighton, etc.). The company expanded over the years, purchasing other businesses and creating subsidiary businesses, and at some point, the name of the parent company was changed to "Robert B. Massey Group Ltd." A number of these subsidiary business were eventually sold off or closed, but at least one of the company's dealerships, an East Yorkshire Range Rover franchise, is still operating under the name "Armstrong Massey" today.

GRP Cooltrucks Ltd was founded in Leeds, West Yorkshire in 1980. The company changed its name to "GRP Massey Ltd" in 1988, then to "GRP Leeds Ltd" in 1998, and finally to "GRP Enterprises Ltd" in 2011. It was dissolved in 2015.

I haven't looked into it, but the Massey Group may have purchased GRP Cooltrucks in 1988 and sold it in 1998, which would account for use of the Massey name during that period. And if your source magazine was published during that period, then it makes sense that the author may have used the name of one of Massey's existing businesses when referring to the coachbuilder.

Was the rebody performed in 1954? If so, that puts it more-or-less in line with the period in which Robert B. Massey & Co Ltd created the estate/woody coachwork for the Rileys above (1946-1950).

(All of this is completely unrelated to Massey Bros in Wigan, of course.)
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Re: SOLVED: FW #192: Mercedes 170 S Shooting Brake by GRP Massey, 1954
« Reply #80 on: August 11, 2023, 12:09:52 PM »
I agree totally with you. Reading "GRP Massey Bros", I ignored "GRP" totally, as I knew about "Massey Bros" only.
Due to my later research, "GRP Massey Bros" is a mix up from two different companies and never existed.
I am still trying to find out more about "GRP Massey" company.

Yes, the Mercedes conversion has been done 1954