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Solved: Wendax 3834 - Benz Gaggenau 45/50 PS Type R2 engine
« on: May 29, 2022, 02:40:06 AM »
Just an old engine.

For one point, please respond and identify this engine.
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Re: Wendax 3834
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2022, 05:04:16 AM »
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Re: Wendax 3834
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2022, 12:33:08 PM »
A Wilhelm Maybach design? It appears to have a very sensibly-sited water pump, in itself an uncommon feature on a machine from 1909?
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Re: Wendax 3834
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2022, 01:26:12 PM »
I don't know who designed the engine, just the company, a year and the hp outout. The pictured engine is a bit younger than 1909, although its origins were from about 1909.
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Re: Wendax 3834
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2022, 05:08:09 PM »
First guess,....Benz ?
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Re: Wendax 3834
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2022, 05:56:17 PM »
Yes, locked for you
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Re: Wendax 3834
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2022, 07:08:06 AM »
Lucky guess!!......so it was likely to be a Hans Nibel design; 25/45hp from 1912, perhaps?
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Re: Wendax 3834
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2022, 08:53:35 AM »
The power output is quite close. A little hint: the engine had its first appearance under another brand!
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Re: Wendax 3834
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2022, 10:49:36 AM »
Ah!....then perhaps a 24/40? Possibly by Karl Ketterer who had worked for Süddeutche Automobilfabrik (S.A.F.)?

Sadly, I am hampered by my vestigial command of the German language. Nonetheless, I have remembered a couple of lines from Thomas Mann, and, on a good day, can sing along with "The Goggomobil Song" on YouTube. ;D
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Re: Wendax 3834
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2022, 11:08:05 AM »
Yes, it is an engine that started being built by the Süddeutsche Automobil-Fabrik Gaggenau. Not the one you guessed though. One last hint: it was not used in a car, but a truck.
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Re: Wendax 3834
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2022, 04:37:08 PM »
Still locked?
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Re: Wendax 3834
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2022, 01:22:10 AM »
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Re: Wendax 3834
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2022, 01:37:06 AM »
Benz-Gaggenau, R 8, 30/35, 1911-1913
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Re: Wendax 3834
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2022, 01:55:01 AM »
It is a Benz-Gaggenau engine and the engine code starts with R, but not the one you named.
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Re: Wendax 3834
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2022, 12:37:27 PM »
So it might be a R 6, 10/45 PS.
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Re: Wendax 3834
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2022, 04:56:58 PM »
No, but getting closer
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Re: Wendax 3834
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2022, 05:22:20 PM »
R 2, 45/50 PS
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Re: Wendax 3834
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2022, 01:27:46 AM »
Yes, it was described as a 1914 Benz-Gaggenau 50 PS truck engine. So it has to be the R2. One more point for you.
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Re: Solved: Wendax 3834 - Benz Gaggenau 45/50 PS Type R2 engine
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2022, 05:44:48 PM »
Thank you for the point, this was once again a very special puzzle. My source says that the R2-engine was used in trucks (for example Type GL 12, 1911-1913) and busses (for example Type BO, 1913-1914).
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Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke
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