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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #50 on: June 06, 2018, 10:26:09 AM »
26arb: As the car was in Jakarta, I would say the builder is from Indonesia
40arb: I found this car for sale from 2012: "Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sport, 1954.  Totally rebuild over the past 2 years, aluminum body, Freshly rebuild 1900cc engine, 120hp, 4-speed gearbox".

3rd car for today: 24arb was built by a company, called OHA Automobili in San Isidro, Buenos Aires, Argentina. The picture was taken at the 2017 Autoclasica festival
26arb: Yes! He made 2 more cars. I have them all and I'm confident I'll have a name soon. Correct!
40arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sport, 1954 - I have a couple of suspects, but I have to accept that. Correct!
24arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Disco Volante 'fianchi stretti' recreation by OHA Automobiles Correct!

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #51 on: June 06, 2018, 10:31:48 AM »
Still out there:

1arb: Alfa Romeo Sprint Barchetta 2500 CM 1955  Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Carnut.
5arb: Alfa Romeo C52 3000 MM recreation owned by Al Cortes  Who built it?
7arb:
9arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sportiva 1955  Who built it?
10arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 'Conrero' Evocation Who built it?
11arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Conrero 1955 Who built it?
13arb:
14arb: Alfa Romeo 6c 2500 Barchetta Evocation Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to oko94
15arb: Alfa Romeo 1900SS barchetta Stradale  Who built it?
16arb: Alfa 1900 Barchetta with 2.4L Alfa Engine 1963  Who built it?
17arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Conrero  Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Carnut.
18arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta 1953 from Argentina Who built it?
21arb:
22arb: Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 PR  Who built it?
23arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta 1953 from Argentina Who built it?
25arb:  Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Frianchistretti Replica  Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Wendax
26arb: Alfa Romeo 1800 Barchetta 1953 from Jakarta  Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to  pnegyesi
27arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta  Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to Carnut.
35arb:
36arb: Fiat 500 C Barchetta  Who built it?
39arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante replica (Tom Zat's) Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to oko94
40arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sport 1954  Who built it? If no name is found, it goes to  pnegyesi

I will consider all locks above expired after 2 days from now ;)
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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #52 on: June 06, 2018, 10:39:19 AM »
And these?!:

11 ARB: Described as an Alfa Romeo 1900 SS Barchetta Conrero - 1955 (although I've also seen it described as a copy of a 1952 Alfa 1900 Spider Colli Tubolare Gilco!)

17 ARB: Described as an Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Conrero

10 ARB: Was it built by Castagna?


26arb: As the car was in Jakarta, I would say the builder is from Indonesia
40arb: I found this car for sale from 2012: "Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta Sport, 1954.  Totally rebuild over the past 2 years, aluminum body, Freshly rebuild 1900cc engine, 120hp, 4-speed gearbox".

3rd car for today: 24arb was built by a company, called OHA Automobili in San Isidro, Buenos Aires, Argentina. The picture was taken at the 2017 Autoclasica festival

Sorry, I need a lot of patience and assistance with this one ;)

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #53 on: June 06, 2018, 04:48:49 PM »
7arb : 1952 Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 Spider
22arb : Christopher Mann's 1953 Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 PR (Paso Ridotto)

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #54 on: June 06, 2018, 05:00:16 PM »
21arb: Alfa Romeo custom bodied in Disco Volante style from California

35arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante recreation from Georgia, USA

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #55 on: June 06, 2018, 05:25:22 PM »
7arb : 1952 Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 Spider
22arb : Christopher Mann's 1953 Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 PR (Paso Ridotto)

7arb: That is all I have too, so far. Correct!
22arb:  Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 PR 1953 Who built it? Locked for you

21arb: Alfa Romeo custom bodied in Disco Volante style from California
35arb: Alfa Romeo Disco Volante recreation from Georgia, USA

21arb: That is more or less all I have too  Correct!
35arb: That is more or less all I have too  Correct!

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #56 on: June 06, 2018, 06:05:56 PM »
22arb:  Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 PR 1953 Who built it? Locked for you

Chassis was factory-built (supposedly an evolution of the 6C 3000 CM). According to some sources the body was made by Touring.

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #57 on: June 07, 2018, 03:19:09 AM »
Not Touring.

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #58 on: June 07, 2018, 05:44:30 AM »
7arb: That is all I have too, so far. Correct!
22arb:  Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 PR 1953 Who built it? Locked for you

Please check the synthesis in reply #4, you have attributed these solutions to Carnut once again  ;)

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #59 on: June 07, 2018, 06:40:19 AM »
Just for my understanding of the rules: Does the 24-hours gap not apply to answering the "Who built it?" questions also?

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #60 on: June 07, 2018, 06:43:27 AM »
I made only two guesses last night so I had one left to do.

Well I've read the rules again and apparently I should have made the three guesses in the same post.
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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #61 on: June 07, 2018, 08:37:32 AM »
7arb: That is all I have too, so far. Correct!
22arb:  Alfa Romeo 6C 3000 PR 1953 Who built it? Locked for you

Please check the synthesis in reply #4, you have attributed these solutions to Carnut once again  ;)
Fixed, sorry.
Just for my understanding of the rules: Does the 24-hours gap not apply to answering the "Who built it?" questions also?
I made only two guesses last night so I had one left to do.

Well I've read the rules again and apparently I should have made the three guesses in the same post.

NEW RULE: NO RULES
no more locks & free guesses
be sporty ;)

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #62 on: June 07, 2018, 08:40:36 AM »
22arb: built by Colli ?

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #63 on: June 07, 2018, 08:50:40 AM »
13arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta ?
15arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta ?

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #64 on: June 07, 2018, 09:53:22 AM »
I think 15 ARB might be an AR 1900S Zagato Spider Conrero 1957 OR more likely an AR 1900SS Barchetta Stradale 1954?

I also had 22 as by Touring but you say it isn't so must keep looking:
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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #65 on: June 07, 2018, 12:06:26 PM »
22arb: built by Colli ?

22arb: not Colli

13arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta ?
15arb: Alfa Romeo 1900 Barchetta ?

13arb: Not the name I have for that.
15arb: Not enough, sorry.

I think 15 ARB might be an AR 1900S Zagato Spider Conrero 1957 OR more likely an AR 1900SS Barchetta Stradale 1954?

I also had 22 as by Touring but you say it isn't so must keep looking:


15arb: Alfa Romeo 1900SS barchetta Stradale is the name given to this recreation. The year I have is different (but whi knows!). Who built it?
22arb: it's not a guess, and you are right.



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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #66 on: June 07, 2018, 12:31:22 PM »
22 ARB was written off at Monza in 1954 and I suppose was rebuilt and ended up in a museum.
It ended up in the UK in 1985 and its new owners Henry Wessells III and Christopher Mann set about restoring it.
There was so little of the original left that there is some doubt about whether it's original, restored or recreated!
Wessells has since died but the car is still in the hands of Christopher Mann.
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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #67 on: June 07, 2018, 12:49:23 PM »
36arb: 1954 Fiat 500 C Barchetta by Trevisan
36arb: Not by Trevisan. (I found out the whole story of that car, finally)
But even though it is not by Trevisan, is it a 1954 Fiat 500 C Barchetta?

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #68 on: June 07, 2018, 12:52:39 PM »
22 ARB was written off at Monza in 1954 and I suppose was rebuilt and ended up in a museum.
It ended up in the UK in 1985 and its new owners Henry Wessells III and Christopher Mann set about restoring it.
There was so little of the original left that there is some doubt about whether it's original, restored or recreated!
Wessells has since died but the car is still in the hands of Christopher Mann.
22ARB There is a lot of confusion about these cars. This puzzle should make some order, hopefully. The car #22 is still out there.

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #69 on: June 07, 2018, 12:53:08 PM »
36arb: 1954 Fiat 500 C Barchetta by Trevisan
36arb: Not by Trevisan. (I found out the whole story of that car, finally)
But even though it is not by Trevisan, is it a 1954 Fiat 500 C Barchetta?
Yes, of course.

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #70 on: June 07, 2018, 01:20:01 PM »
13 ARB seems to be called Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Narrowside (Fianchi Stretti)..  built in 1952 maybe by Touring?
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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #71 on: June 07, 2018, 01:38:38 PM »
Narrowside is just the translation of Fianchi Stretti. I guess you had your automatic translator on?  ;D

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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #72 on: June 07, 2018, 02:07:41 PM »
Narrowside is just the translation of Fianchi Stretti. I guess you had your automatic translator on?  ;D

Aha - Fianchi Stretti seems to be acceptable as part of the name (see 25 and 28, solved by you) so maybe I'll change it to that!
I picked the picture up from an American site and that's what it was called there so I didn't translate anything...
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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #73 on: June 07, 2018, 02:28:03 PM »
Re 22 ARB..

Doesn't the car I have highlighted in the extract below refer to the car in question?
Although it seems to have been entered in the 2014 Goodwood Revival as a 3000 CM Zagato Spider, so it might be 1361.000125, which transformed into a Zagato Spider in 1955 - shortly after it was destroyed at Monza...  And that car is shown as  belonging to Henry Wessells III, so it might be that car after all.  In which case the body seems to have been built by Zagato!
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Re: PJ - Alfa Romeo Barchettas
« Reply #74 on: June 07, 2018, 04:11:10 PM »
13 ARB seems to be called Alfa Romeo Disco Volante Narrowside (Fianchi Stretti)..  built in 1952 maybe by Touring?
13arb: That is what I have too. It is a modern recreation (as the 90% of the cars in this puzzle is). I have not the definitive proof about its builder. Correct!
Re 22 ARB..

Doesn't the car I have highlighted in the extract below refer to the car in question?
Although it seems to have been entered in the 2014 Goodwood Revival as a 3000 CM Zagato Spider, so it might be 1361.000125, which transformed into a Zagato Spider in 1955 - shortly after it was destroyed at Monza...  And that car is shown as  belonging to Henry Wessells III, so it might be that car after all.  In which case the body seems to have been built by Zagato!
22arb: I will help you a lot. The Zagato spider is 3ARB. The car destroyed at Monza is gone for good. Not Zagato, Colli or Touring.