Topic: SOLVED: si_380 - Saurer - D330 F4x2 - by Metz - 1980

[fromwien]

One source says Saurer D330F, two other sources D330B
I've only 1981..
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What was wrong with my reply #3?? 1981?? I've sent a proof to you!! May you be so kind and send me one, that shows that my source went wrong? And yours is the right one?
For remembering, I added all the proofs of 'reply #3' again!

I have already pointed out to you that your source gives a 330 F as the chassis. So what is the problem?
I will not respond to correspondence in this tone in future!

I will not respond to correspondence in this tone in future!
1) What was wrong with my reply #3?? What do you consider rude in this question?
2) 1981??  What do you consider rude in this question?
3) I've sent a proof to you!!   What do you consider rude in this statement?
4) May you be so kind and send me one, that shows that my source went wrong?  What do you consider rude in this question?
5) And yours is the right one?  What do you consider rude in this question?
6) For remembering, I added all the proofs of 'reply #3' again!  What do you consider rude in this statement?

If I can offer you a proof, that shows a production and registration date, which differs to that one, you mean to be the correct one, it won't be rude anyway, to kindly ask for a proof (as to be seen above). Or do you think so?

[sichel]

Then just send production and registration date of "GR 421" from Landquart. Then maybe the Gordian knot can be cut.

[fromwien]

Nice trial. In legal jargon, this is referred to as a reversal of the burden of proof.
Please excuse me politely and politely, the 1980 claim is yours, without any proof. But, according to you, by a very experienced person. I don't want to doubt his knowledge, but there is a picture of the vehicle with a Basel license plate that was taken in 1979 (see attached picture with Basel-license-plate). So I doubt it was first registered in Basel in 1980. At the time as the vehicle has been sold to the current owner, the year of production has been stated with 1976. I would really appreciate some evidence confirming it was built in 1980.

With reply #6, you corrected me, that the 'B' on the radiator grille, never stands alone. Ever with another letter. Furthermore you stated, that with the 'D', there are minimum three letters on the badge.
But sorry, it isn't. See my previous proofs please. This vehicle wore three subsequently modernized radiator grilles. One with the badge '5 DF', one with '330' and one with '330B'. Never with a second letter.

Further:
You indicated 'by Metz' in the puzzle-designation. The turntable ladder comes from Metz. But some sources mentions, that the vehicle body was built at Frech-Hoch in Switzerland

[sichel]

but there is a picture of the vehicle with a Basel license plate that was taken in 1979 (see attached picture with Basel-license-plate).

I think it is doubtful that this is the puzzle vehicle (e.g. paintwork), you always ask for proof... I could well imagine that a city like Basel had more than one Saurer turntable ladder.

[sichel]

With reply #6, you corrected me, that the 'B' on the radiator grille, never stands alone. Ever with another letter. Furthermore you stated, that with the 'D', there are minimum three letters on the badge.
But sorry, it isn't. See my previous proofs please. This vehicle wore three subsequently modernized radiator grilles. One with the badge '5 DF', one with '330' and one with '330B'. Never with a second letter.

Please read correctly, this reference was to the manufacturer's type designations, not to any plates on the vehicle.

[fromwien]

but there is a picture of the vehicle with a Basel license plate that was taken in 1979 (see attached picture with Basel-license-plate).

I think it is doubtful that this is the puzzle vehicle (e.g. paintwork), you always ask for proof... I could well imagine that a city like Basel had more than one Saurer turntable ladder.

I agree completely with you, that it may be possible, that several of the same fire-fighting vehicles were in service by the Basel Fire Departement. But this again, is only a guess.
What we both know, is that a Saurer with Metz-ladder from the Basel Fire Department was later in service at the Landquart Fire Department. As you insisted to get a exact production date of the puzzle vehicle, I offered you some opportunities with proofs. You claimed that these are not identical with the puzzle vehicle. Which is quite possible. But then you should also be able to provide proof of this. But unfortunately this never happened.
In my mind it is'nt a shame, if the puzzle-setter (also me) doesn't know about exact details of a puzzle car, and therefore leave room for discussion for further research. In the end, the solution should be very near the truth, I think.