SOLVED: si_108 - Austria-Alpha -500cc - 1936

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sichel

#25
October 10, 2021, 06:37:24 PM
How I know, there is no connection. I'll check it tomorrow.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

sichel

#26
October 11, 2021, 06:20:22 AM
My sources didn't know any connection to M. Schneeweiss or to the dirt track scene.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

fromwien

#27
October 11, 2021, 07:07:55 AM
Gigant, Motorradbau Johann Teichert?

sichel

#28
October 11, 2021, 08:16:38 AM
No.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

fromwien

#29
October 11, 2021, 10:41:27 AM
As I am searching there, is this bike of the 30's?

sichel

#30
October 11, 2021, 11:44:18 AM
Yes, it is. Locked for you, to go on searching.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

fromwien

#31
October 11, 2021, 03:57:13 PM
HMK?

sichel

#32
October 11, 2021, 04:09:01 PM
No, but he town is correct. I guess I made you curious...
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

fromwien

#33
October 11, 2021, 04:54:48 PM
Right, you made me more than curious..

May be 'Delta Gnom'? They did a lot of engine variants..

I am still thinking, the engine base is British (JAP) or possibly Swiss (MAG)

sichel

#34
October 11, 2021, 05:12:23 PM Last Edit: October 11, 2021, 05:16:29 PM by sichel
No, unfortunately not either. I do not have exact details of the base of the engine. I suspect neither JAP nor MAG.
PS: The drive of the mange igniter looks different.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

fromwien

#35
October 11, 2021, 06:08:29 PM
Messner?

sichel

#36
October 11, 2021, 06:11:24 PM
No
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

fromwien

#37
October 12, 2021, 02:08:00 AM
Austro-Alpha?

sichel

#38
October 12, 2021, 03:36:58 AM
 :applause: :applause:
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

sichel

#39
October 12, 2021, 05:24:52 AM
Any idea to the production period and the cylinder capacity?
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

fromwien

#40
October 12, 2021, 07:14:39 AM Last Edit: October 12, 2021, 07:28:44 AM by fromwien
I think Josef Illichmann raced the puzzle-bike after 1935. So: 1937/8? 496ccm?
(1935 he raced a bike with an 30°-V2-engine, self-built on an Puch-crankcase)
After WW II Josef Illichmann moved from Vienna to Altmünster (Upper Austria) and produced his famous rear suspensions for Puch-bikes

sichel

#41
October 12, 2021, 01:39:40 PM
You are totaly right, apart from the fact that the name of the company  is Austria-Alpha in my sources. ;) So, one more point for you! Since Josef Illichmann had a foundry, the engine and gearbox were probably made by himself. It can actually only be the 500cc version, my source is from 1936. I add a description which says that the cylinder head is made of bronze, the gearbox has a foot shift and the cylinder head is supported on the front frame tube.
Ein Henschel zieht am Berg und ein Mercedes
an den Türen. (and an attempt of a translation):
A Henschel in rushing up the hill, wheras in a Mercedes wind is rushing through the doors. c/o norberthanke

fromwien

#42
October 12, 2021, 02:35:48 PM
At first thank you for this very interesting and challenging puzzle! Compliment!
I know about the two different names of the company: "Austria Alpha" and "Austro Alpha". There were als two different emblems..
I fear not to know which name is the right one. Keep on searching in historic magazines of the 30's.

The photo, taken in the streets of Vienna, is from 1938

To raise confusion, I added some pictures depending the name of the company
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