Author Topic: Mildren Cooper Climax Type 51 (Read 1632 times)

BERTRAND · « **on:** November 13, 2023, 08:10:06 AM »

Identify this race car, please

BERTRAND · « **Reply #1 on:** November 21, 2023, 06:13:55 AM »

expert

D-type · « **Reply #2 on:** November 21, 2023, 10:45:48 AM »

To eliminate the obvious: Cooper?

BERTRAND · « **Reply #3 on:** November 21, 2023, 11:17:00 AM »

not cooper

D-type · « **Reply #4 on:** November 21, 2023, 02:24:59 PM »

A Formula Junior Gemini?

BERTRAND · « **Reply #5 on:** November 22, 2023, 03:01:34 AM »

not a Gemini, not a Formula Junior

knewit · « **Reply #6 on:** November 22, 2023, 12:20:00 PM »

down under

BERTRAND · « **Reply #7 on:** November 22, 2023, 01:46:31 PM »

What do you mean, knewit

D-type · « **Reply #8 on:** November 22, 2023, 04:28:07 PM »

"Down under" is British slang for Australia and New Zealand.

Wendax · « **Reply #9 on:** November 22, 2023, 04:33:00 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/embed/XfR9iY5y94s?si=C0ptP5VIWA1p0zbt

BERTRAND · « **Reply #10 on:** November 23, 2023, 03:45:08 AM »

ah ok understood. Yes, it's from down under

knewit · « **Reply #11 on:** November 23, 2023, 12:12:13 PM »

a 50 - 50 Jocker

Australia

knewit · « **Reply #12 on:** November 23, 2023, 12:17:01 PM »

Nothing to do with Austin Miller's Climax Special ?

BERTRAND · « **Reply #13 on:** November 23, 2023, 02:48:34 PM »

no but I help you, Climax is correct

D-type · « **Reply #14 on:** November 23, 2023, 03:30:10 PM »

An Elfin-Climax?

BERTRAND · « **Reply #15 on:** November 24, 2023, 08:02:48 AM »

not Elfin

D-type · « **Reply #16 on:** November 24, 2023, 12:23:26 PM »

Mildren - Climax?

BERTRAND · « **Reply #17 on:** November 24, 2023, 02:12:24 PM »

well done. Mildren Climax is correct. Give me the model name, please. I locked the puzzle for you, D-type

D-type · « **Reply #18 on:** November 25, 2023, 06:08:30 PM »

I didn't know the Mildrens being essentially one-off conversions or creations had names. The only one that comes to mind is the Mildren Mono.

BERTRAND · « **Reply #19 on:** November 26, 2023, 05:12:59 AM »

after further investigation, you are right, it is not the model that has a designation but the engine. Therefore you have the point D-type

nicanary · « **Reply #20 on:** November 26, 2023, 07:16:22 AM »

The puzzle photo appears to be a monochrome copy of an advert for the car being sold by an Australian racing car sales specialist. The original car F2-22-59 was fitted first with a Maserati 250S engine and later a Maserati T61 engine before the engine and suspension were used to build a sports car by Rennmax. The chassis was dumped on a local authority tip.

Which begs the question - what the heck is this? It seems that somebody built a "new" Cooper chassis with a fibreglass body and installed a Climax FPF engine, and then said it was Alec Mildren's car. It was never raced with a 2-litre engine, although the Mildren family did own a 2-litre T45 Cooper, but this claims to be a T51.

I suspect that yet again another historic car surfaces which is not quite what it appears to be. Sorry to be a pedant.

fromwien · « **Reply #21 on:** November 26, 2023, 07:33:46 AM »

I think, the picture of the puzzle car originates from an ad with following text (and picture):
Make: Cooper Climax
Model: Type 51
Year: 1959
VIN / Engine Number: FPF.430/27-1243

The Mildren Cooper Climax Type 51, never previously offered for sale but after almost 40 years of ownership, imminent retirement from racing forces it's sale.
Type 51 Cooper with 4 wheel disc brakes, 4 coil suspension and a two litre short stroke Mark 2 Climax FPF motor make this a very competitive package.
The car has important racing history established in the early 1960s and raced at some Australian International events. A similar ex Mildren Cooper was placed fourth at the recent Goodwood Revival meeting.
It holds Group Lb Historic lap records at Winton, Eastern Creek, Wakefield Park, Amaroo, Oran Park plus Grafton and Mt Cotton hillclimbs with geriatric driver so there is plenty of potential there for a more enthusiastic operator.
Naturally it has a CAMS Certificate of Description certifying it's provenance. At A$165,000 it is far less than similar cars being offered overseas.

nicanary · « **Reply #22 on:** November 26, 2023, 08:03:38 AM »

Thanks fromwien. It's got a CAMS certificate so maybe I've misunderstood something. My information came from a well-known website which specialises in motor sport in Australasia (begins with a P) which had an article about the Mildren family.

fromwien · « **Reply #23 on:** November 26, 2023, 08:31:02 AM »

To avoid misunderstandings 'nicanary', me too think that the car's history isn't as clear as it looks like. I also believe more another source, wich seems to be far more reliable. Furthermore it seems we both mean the same website (begins with pe...).
I only want to add the chassis number once again with the first owner of the car: 1959 Cooper Type 51, Chassis Number F2-22-59, delivered October 1959 to Alec Mildren, Australia (less engine)

fromwien · « **Reply #24 on:** November 26, 2023, 09:11:23 AM »

What makes me real headache, I think to remember that all the T51 from 1959 ran a transverse leaf spring-rear suspension, except Moss' Walker-Cooper at the US-GP. Usually coil-spring-rear-suspension was used with the next model, T53 from 1960

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Author Topic: Mildren Cooper Climax Type 51 (Read 1632 times)