Author Topic: Solved TGF-499: Fiat 1100 E giardinetta Monviso (Read 1317 times)

targhediferro · « **on:** October 08, 2015, 10:49:45 AM »

Please help....another car I cannot identify! And once again from a postcard from 1955...did they wait for a strange car passing along to shot these pictures? As I don't know what it is, I need a proof to give the point. Of course I don't mean the 500 C Belvedere on the right!

Oguerrerob · « **Reply #1 on:** October 08, 2015, 11:49:38 AM »

I think the pink one is a Renault 4

Tom_I · « **Reply #2 on:** October 08, 2015, 12:37:30 PM »

It can't be a Renault 4 if the post card is from 1955.

targhediferro · « **Reply #3 on:** October 08, 2015, 02:15:49 PM »

The post card has been posted on August 1955; As far as I can see the mistery car seems to have a plate number AL 3xxxx, so it should be a 1953-4 car. The 500 C Belvedere, GE 76049, dates from February '55.

Tom_I · « **Reply #4 on:** October 09, 2015, 10:38:03 AM »

I can't prove it, but my guess would be an early Fiat 1100-103 Familiare, introduced 1953, so the date is about right.

targhediferro · « **Reply #5 on:** October 09, 2015, 11:10:13 AM »

The date could be ok, but quiz car looks smaller than 500C (and this may depend upon the fact it is a bit farer than the Belvedere), and I think it has a smaller rear glass than 1100 and lower rear lights and lower plate. Sorry but I don't agree with your guess; anyway a good one. Has any other puzzler an opinion about this guess?

thorax · « **Reply #6 on:** October 12, 2015, 04:43:26 PM »

surely not a 1100, as TdF says.
smaller then the "Belvedere": maybe a german car?

Wendax · « **Reply #7 on:** October 12, 2015, 05:06:26 PM »

Rather an Italian one, I'd say.

ropat53 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 12, 2015, 06:07:55 PM »

I thought it could be an East German car, the AWZ P70 Kombi looks rather similar, though year doesn't match. The roof drip rail is similar. Maybe IFA F9?

Wendax · « **Reply #9 on:** October 13, 2015, 02:28:15 AM »

No,neither one

Iluvatar · « **Reply #10 on:** October 13, 2015, 11:09:27 AM »

The car looks very little... maybe a Moretti 600 or 750 Giardinetta? But I've no idea how it should look from the rear...

Tom_I · « **Reply #11 on:** October 13, 2015, 12:07:56 PM »

It's hard to assess how big the mystery car is. Without seeing more of the picture, it's difficult to judge how far in front of the Belvedere it is. The road also looks to be going uphill, in which case the perspective may make the car look less tall than it is in relation to its width.

A higher-resolution scan might help, but if the image is from a postcard, there may not be any more detail to be had. Enlarging the image, it looks as if the rear door has hinges on the right hand side, with the top one close to the bottom line of the rear window. A line across the tops of the rear lamps comes just below the number plate light. It has a plain rear bumper, and there's a door mirror on the left hand side which match with the 1100-103 Familiare.

I'm not saying that's definitely what it is, but I suggested it based on the visible details.

Has anyone got a decent picture of the back of a Moretti Giardinetta from about 1953? It sounds like a good possibility, but I can't find one.

oko94 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 13, 2015, 12:46:13 PM »

What don't match with a 1100-103 Familiare are the tailights on the puzzle car which are very close to the bumper, whereas they are much higher on the Fiat.

Tom_I · « **Reply #13 on:** October 13, 2015, 03:48:02 PM »

Yes, I think you're right.

Photo of the back of a Moretti Giardinetta, anyone?

targhediferro · « **Reply #14 on:** October 13, 2015, 05:10:48 PM »

I think Iluvatar had a very good idea...let's try to fine a picture of the back ad a Moretti 600 or 750 giardinetta. If it should match I will give a point to Iluvatar and another one to who will post that hard to find picture.

João · « **Reply #15 on:** October 13, 2015, 07:45:39 PM »

It could be a Moretti, maybe an older one. This is a 1953 model.

Tom_I · « **Reply #16 on:** October 14, 2015, 04:03:15 AM »

Unfortunately the door opens the wrong way, and the top hinge is too high.

targhediferro · « **Reply #17 on:** October 14, 2015, 05:54:03 AM »

Wow, this picture is wonderful; what Tom_I says, seems to be true but I don't know if what we see in the quiz picture is not the door handle.....I post also the original post car, and you'll be able to see that the quality of the imagine is very bad indeed, so I wouldn't be sure about what we can recognize as a door handle or other little particulars.
I think that a lot of parts are matching...the low position of tail lights, the shape and wideness of rear window. Perhaps 600 and 750 rear doors opened in different way...or quiz car may be a 54 model. I'd like to know what are thinking about

Iluvatar · « **Reply #18 on:** October 14, 2015, 08:11:56 AM »

Quote from: targhediferro on October 14, 2015, 05:54:03 AM

Wow, this picture is wonderful; what Tom_I says, seems to be true but I don't know if what we see in the quiz picture is not the door handle.....I post also the original post car, and you'll be able to see that the quality of the imagine is very bad indeed, so I wouldn't be sure about what we can recognize as a door handle or other little particulars.
I think that a lot of parts are matching...the low position of tail lights, the shape and wideness of rear window. Perhaps 600 and 750 rear doors opened in different way...or quiz car may be a 54 model. I'd like to know what are thinking about

The proportions of the back of the Moretti look similar to that of the puzzle car, the rear window matches, the position of the tail lights too... maybe it's really the door handle what we see on the left? I don't think they changed the way to open the rear door between the two models... it doesn't make so much sense...
Maybe someone with the Moretti book can check if there are more pictures?

Carnut · « **Reply #19 on:** October 16, 2015, 06:00:40 AM »

There are a number of pictures of the 750 Giardinetta in the Moretti book but they're pretty well all front and side views.
The only one where you can see anything of the rear is the one below, but it doesn't help:

targhediferro · « **Reply #20 on:** October 16, 2015, 04:44:58 PM »

Thank you for this nice picture; we can see that the position of tail lights matches perfectly, and rear window shape too. I'm going to give a point to Iluvatar and Joao if no other solution will come.

Tom_I · « **Reply #21 on:** October 16, 2015, 04:58:46 PM »

But the mystery car appears to have a rear bumper, but the Morettis don't, and it has a door hinge on the right hand side below the level of the rear window, while the Morettis have a hinge on the left hand side above the lower edge of the rear window. I don't think we have the answer yet.

targhediferro · « **Reply #22 on:** October 17, 2015, 02:03:36 AM »

The bumper could have been added...even the 500 C Giardiniera (Woody) had no rear bumper, but you can see a lot of them with one, aftermarket produced. About the hinge the problem is real, but I'm not actually sure that what we see in the poor picture on the right of the car is the door hinge; it could even be an ink spot. Anyway, the quiz is yet open...I wait for other ideas.

Oguerrerob · « **Reply #23 on:** July 29, 2016, 09:37:39 AM »

I've found a picture of the rear view of Fiat 1100 Giardinetta by Monviso 1953, that looks more similar

Tom_I · « **Reply #24 on:** July 29, 2016, 03:21:25 PM »

That looks very convincing to me. Well done!

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Author Topic: Solved TGF-499: Fiat 1100 E giardinetta Monviso (Read 1317 times)