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Solved - NEH 4506: Citroen ID 19 Coupé by Pichon-Parat
« on: February 17, 2016, 07:38:29 AM »
No points for the marque, but what is it exactly and who built it, for a nice easy Rookie point?:

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Re: NEH 4506
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2016, 10:45:54 AM »
Citroen DS 19 Ricou
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Re: NEH 4506
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2016, 11:41:57 AM »
Quote from: Ford08 on February 17, 2016, 10:45:54 AM
Citroen DS 19 Ricou

Citroen DS 19 Ricou
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Re: NEH 4506
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2016, 01:49:17 PM »
Prototype?
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Re: NEH 4506
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2016, 06:05:39 PM »
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Re: NEH 4506
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2016, 04:47:05 AM »
Experts?
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Re: NEH 4506
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2016, 10:23:48 AM »
Chapron?
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Re: NEH 4506
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2016, 11:12:09 AM »
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Re: NEH 4506
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2016, 01:55:40 PM »
Pichon-Parat?
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Re: NEH 4506
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2016, 02:14:58 PM »
Quote from: frederick59 on February 24, 2016, 01:55:40 PM
Pichon-Parat?

Yes!
Just the model needed now so it's locked for you to finish off.
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Re: NEH 4506
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2016, 04:51:51 PM »
Coupé DS Pichon-Parat
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Re: NEH 4506
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2016, 06:30:32 PM »
Quote from: Carnut on February 17, 2016, 11:41:57 AM
Quote from: Ford08 on February 17, 2016, 10:45:54 AM
Citroen DS 19 Ricou

Citroen DS 19 Ricou

Not DS!

Still locked for another go..
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Re: NEH 4506
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2016, 02:24:07 AM »
ID 19 GT
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Re: NEH 4506
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2016, 03:26:43 AM »
I believe the name to be "Coach" and it's based on an ID 19 AM 1959.
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Re: NEH 4506
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2016, 03:58:41 AM »
Quote from: frederick59 on February 25, 2016, 02:24:07 AM
ID 19 GT

Yes, it's an ID 19 so 1 point for you.

Quote from: Mogul on February 25, 2016, 03:26:43 AM
I believe the name to be "Coach" and it's based on an ID 19 AM 1959.

Thanks for that info, which I didn't have.
I'll look into it but I'm sure you'll be right..
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Re: Solved - NEH 4506: Citroen ID 19 by Pichon-Parat
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2016, 05:10:48 AM »
There are lots of coachbuilt cars built on the old DS/ID cars, but the only designation I can find for this particular one is ID 19 Coupé, not Coach.

Here's another picture, this time of the front, showing just how much they modified the standard car:

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Re: Solved - NEH 4506: Citroen ID 19 Coupé by Pichon-Parat
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2016, 05:46:53 AM »
Send you a link to a French website with some history on Pichon Parat, you will see that it is a Pichon-Parat; but only by Parat as Pichon had just left the Pichon-Parat company although the company name remained un changed. Mr Parat named the car "Coach".
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Re: Solved - NEH 4506: Citroen ID 19 Coupé by Pichon-Parat
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2016, 05:58:50 AM »
Quote from: Mogul on February 25, 2016, 05:46:53 AM
Send you a link to a French website with some history on Pichon Parat, you will see that it is a Pichon-Parat; but only by Parat as Pichon had just left the Pichon-Parat company although the company name remained un changed. Mr Parat named the car "Coach".

Yes, thanks, I looked at it.
What it says is "He realized in 1960, his first coach based on ID 19 AM 1959."
The word 'coach' there doesn't refer to the name of the car, just that it was the first coach-built job he did when on his own.
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Re: Solved - NEH 4506: Citroen ID 19 Coupé by Pichon-Parat
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2016, 07:54:32 AM »
In French language, "coach" was traditionally used to describe  2-door cars with 2 side windows (on each side), while "coupé" was used for 2-door cars with 1 side window (on each side). This was mostly true before WWII, then it got blurrier, "coupé" being used more and more often for what used to be called "coach". Then, from the mid seventies up to the late eighties, "coach" was often used for 3-door hatchbacks like Polos or Renault 5s. Now I rarely see it used.

So technically this car is a "coach" in the old-fashioned way, but calling it a "coupé" is not improper nowadays.

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Re: Solved - NEH 4506: Citroen ID 19 Coupé by Pichon-Parat
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2016, 09:56:22 AM »
This one ?
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Re: Solved - NEH 4506: Citroen ID 19 Coupé by Pichon-Parat
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2016, 10:20:29 AM »
That's the car pictured on the website mogul was referring to, yes, but it's not the puzzle car and isn't the car which was referred to as 'coach'.
It has more conventional twin-headlights.
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Re: Solved - NEH 4506: Citroen ID 19 Coupé by Pichon-Parat
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2016, 05:29:40 PM »
It's indeed very similar, but I agree it's not the same car.
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