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Solved -PJ40- H.A.R Sports Racing Daimler special roadster 1955
« on: January 19, 2009, 03:30:11 PM »
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Re: PJ - 40
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2009, 09:50:22 AM »
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Re: PJ - 40
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2009, 12:29:16 PM »
Italian?
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Re: PJ - 40
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2009, 12:31:22 PM »
Non è italiana.

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Re: PJ - 40
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 03:20:06 AM »
It is the H.A.R. Sports Racing Daimler special roadster, built by Dennis Ramsay in 1955.

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Re: PJ - 40
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2009, 04:14:52 AM »
If it is one of the H.A.R. cars, it was built as a (Rliey-engined)  F2 car by Horace A. Richards in the early 1950s.
One of those cars was modified by Dennis Ramsay into a sportscar and fitted with a Daimler engine and Cotal gearbox and a Swallow Doretti body. That must have been post-1959 when the V8 Daimler SP250 first appeared.
There was some muddled thinking in the auctioneer's catalogue, which quotes 1957, a date that is midway between the cars original date, and the date it must have been completed in this form
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Re: PJ - 40
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2009, 05:34:31 AM »
That's the car, and I do not have better pics of it!

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Re: PJ - 40
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2009, 08:07:38 AM »
I was close to seriously injure my brain, because I've seen this car about a week ago and couldn't find it in my pic collection or just remember its name. Appears that I simply didn't save it   :-\

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Re: PJ - 40
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2009, 08:27:30 AM »
I was close to seriously injure my brain, because I've seen this car about a week ago and couldn't find it in my pic collection or just remember its name. Appears that I simply didn't save it :-\

I was looking for better pictures of this car, but can't find them!

here's what I found on this car:

1955 H.A.R Sports Racing Daimler special roadster FIA Papers Registration no: OGS 525 Chassis no: L65/RS/101350 Throughout the twentieth century, the development of the motor car has seen several cities around the world rise to prominence as the heartlands of vehicle design, either through the production of desirable specialist cars such as those produced in Modena or through the sheer level of production in Detroit. Few People would consider the rural countryside of Perthshire in Scotland to have much of a motor industry, yet it was here in the early 1950's that Dennis Ramsay, working in the tiny Pitkerrick Garage, built what must be one of the most formidable specials to be produced by this burgeoning cottage industry. Whilst sporting specials were nothing new in the early 1950's, many a Ford popular had been rebodied with a fibreglass shell to create a 'sportscar', Dennis was a little bit more ambitious than that, and as a member of the famous Border Rievers racing team founded by Ian Scott Watson (with which another friend, Jim Clark was to begin his meteoric rise) he had both the incentive and contacts to build his dream car. The 'Reivers' were a famously relaxed team, initially competing in rallies for fun, they later concentrated on promoting Jim Clark's career with the purchase of some more competitive, Jaguar powered racing cars in the later 1950's. Though racing for fun, the team were all capable competitors, and raced extensively around the country. With his Father being an ex Riley apprentice, it was perhaps not surprising that the pair chose a 6 cylinder Riley as an early project. Contacts at the factory led them to a meeting with Horace A Richards, a noted engineer and Riley specialist based in Birmingham. During the course of their Riley rebuild, Dennis and Horace 'clicked' and were to remain great friends until Horace's death. In 1952 Horace produced the first of a run of five 'HAR' chassis, intended for Formula Two. these were of tubular construction and featured independent suspension all round. The two main rails were of 31/2" diameter 17swg tubing, joined laterally by three cross members. This simple design was the basis of a car which Dennis Jenkinson referred to in his 'Racing car pocket book' as "nicely made and well proportioned". Horace fitted his own car with a two litre Riley engine, and ran with some success in many two litre events throughout the following seasons, including an outing at Goodwood which led the car to be featured in the Riley register's bulletin. Having raced his TR2 at the Reiver's home circuit of Charterhall, Dennis decided in 1955 to build a sportscar. It was on these occasions that he had raced against his friend, the future world champion Jim Clark (who also drove a TR2, which Dennis would later own , and had come to meet and become friendly with such luminaries as Reg Parnell. As a 'Reiver' he also no doubt indulged in the trading of friendly insults with local rivals Ecurie Ecosse. With the quality of car's racing in Scotland at the time rivalling the best grids in the world, and drivers from Stirling Moss to Guisepe Farina appearing at the windswept Border's circuit, it is perhaps unsurprising that Dennis planned to build a car capable of holding it's own against the latest Jaguars as well as the proliferation of pre war racers still in evidence. The natural basis for the new car was the F2 chassis Built by his friend. Of the other chassis built, one had been fitted with a Bugatti engine and one with ERA power (itself based on a Riley design) so it was clear that the chassis could cope with more power..... Dennis took delivery of the chassis in late 1955, having had Horace modify it to accept his chosen Daimler V8 powerplant. In 1956 the Triumph factory's decision to cease the supply of parts for the production of the Swallow Dorretti led to the closure of this small Birmingham manufacturer. Dennis took the opportunity to purchase a complete bodyshell from the company, which in time was to provide the basis of the new car's stylish sporting bodywork. Dennis had always intended the car to feature an electro-magnetic gearbox, and sourced a 1952 Cotal unit to be mated to the V8. Initial progress was good, though the project would occasionally suffer from delays due to Dennis's 'finite finances', a common factor throughout the industry to this day. National Service also delayed progress, and on his De-mob, Dennis returned to civilian life where work continued on the car. The original Riley drum brakes were replaced with the disk set up taken from a Daimler which was purchased to provide it's engine. This donor also provided sundry other parts required including the instruments. Although road registered, Dennis rarely used the car other than for circuit racing. Despite the existence of the famous Bonness hillclimb, as well as the Rest and be thankful both within Scotland's central belt, Dennis was never a fan of 'the hills' so never ran at these famous tracks. With the emergence of the 'Classic' movement in the mid '80's the car then became a regular sight at both Ingliston and Knockhill in Fife. The Power of the modified V8, combined with it's low instalation in the light chassis result in the car being capable of running to the front of the field in grids which contained such contemporary cars as C Type Jaguars , Aston Martins and Ferraris. Not bad for a home built special. This unique sportscar remained with it's builder for an amazing forty one years before he was finally convinced to sell it to one of the country's most enthusiastic historic drivers, John Guyatt. Mr Guyatt is a well known member of the VSCC, who races a range of interesting machinery, almost all of which he has been attracted to through the car's history as much as it's specification. In Mr Guyatt's hands the HAR, as well as being raced, has been 'introduced to the hills' where he found the torque offered by the Daimler engine, allied to the compact and nimble chassis proved to be a highly competitive combination. Having recently passed to the vendor this unique car remains a fascinating example of the standards that were achievable by private individuals with the imagination to build their own racing cars in the early 1950's. The Dennis Ramsay HAR is more than capable of challenging the products of much larger and more recognised constructors. That it achieved this through the hard work and imagination of an enthusiast who was not constrained by any pre- conceived design ideas is all the more remarkable. Finished in Racing green, OGS 525 is accompanied by it's VSCC and FIA papers as well as copies of the original invoices and much of the development paperwork one would associate with the design of a sportscar which has remained in the hands of only two owners for almost half a century. A unique car which by virtue of both it's unique design and history within one of the most famous privateer British racing teams, would be a welcome entrant in any number of road and racing events around the world.
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Re: Solved -PJ40- H.A.R Sports Racing Daimler special roadster 1955
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2009, 08:43:54 AM »
Check your PM for one more (small) picture.

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Re: PJ - 40
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2009, 02:17:27 PM »
If it is one of the H.A.R. cars, it was built as a (Rliey-engined)  F2 car by Horace A. Richards in the early 1950s.
One of those cars was modified by Dennis Ramsay into a sportscar and fitted with a Daimler engine and Cotal gearbox and a Swallow Doretti body. That must have been post-1959 when the V8 Daimler SP250 first appeared.
There was some muddled thinking in the auctioneer's catalogue, which quotes 1957, a date that is midway between the cars original date, and the date it must have been completed in this form
Allan has definitely proved me wrong about the year. I saved a picture of this car a long time ago, and now just posted the name, without checking the story behind it. No doubt Ramsay couldn’t have finished his project before the Daimler V8 engine was available. He seems to have started, not completed, his work in 1955.

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Solved - NEH 4426: H.A.R. Special - 1955
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2016, 07:17:56 AM »
What's this, for 1 point?:

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Re: NEH 4426
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2016, 05:03:20 AM »
Experts?
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Re: NEH 4426
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2016, 08:56:50 AM »
Superb! An American one-off?

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Re: NEH 4426
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2016, 09:49:41 AM »
Superb! An American one-off?

The only one - but it's not American..
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Re: NEH 4426
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2016, 12:20:13 PM »
British? Austin Healey 3000 underneath?

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Re: NEH 4426
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2016, 04:11:22 AM »
British? Austin Healey 3000 underneath?

Yes, it's British but no Austin-Healey bits..
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Re: NEH 4426
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2016, 12:19:36 PM »
HAR built in 1955

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Re: NEH 4426
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2016, 09:40:51 AM »
HAR built in 1955

That's it, yes.
Said to have a Daimler engine..
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Re: Solved - NEH 4426: H.A.R. Special - 1955
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2016, 12:22:47 PM »
It did indeed (as you can guess I was waiting for a few of your puzzles!). It was a conversion from one of the HAR F2 cars and was fitted with a modified Swallow Doretti body.

It's been a previous puzzle, although the photo was missing.

www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=6604msg45976#msg45976
I must be right - that's what it says on Wikipedia

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Re: Solved -PJ40- H.A.R Sports Racing Daimler special roadster 1955
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2016, 02:09:49 PM »
Picture made visible again and topics merged.