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Solved: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« on: February 08, 2016, 02:50:17 PM »
It's been a very long time since I put up a puzzle, and even longer since I put up a group puzzle. So it's about time...

Here are three groups of cars. To get a point, identify and match up a set of three cars, one from each group (A, B and C).

No points for just identifying individual cars, or for identifying what the criteria is for matching the cars up. But both things will help in making the matches!

(Hint: The criteria is really simple. As usual with my group puzzles, it mainly has to do with the makes' names.. although this time there's just a little more to it.)


GROUP "A":

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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2016, 02:51:45 PM »
GROUP "B":
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2016, 02:57:43 PM »
GROUP "C":
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2016, 09:06:57 AM »
I have promoted this puzzle to Pros. However, in order to keep it from being over too quickly, I am placing the following limits (for now):
(1) This is only open to puzzlers with less than 400 points.
(2) Puzzlers are limited to three correct answers each.
Thank you!
(Thanks to one of our "senior professionals" for the suggestions.)
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2016, 10:59:37 AM »
A4= 1910 Hansa
B6= 1911 LLoyd
C8= Hansa LLoyd Trumpf As
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2016, 11:06:26 AM »
Correct!

It should be easy to see what the theme is just from that!


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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2016, 11:14:42 AM »
A3 = 1904 Siddeley Deasy
B4 = 1904 Deasy 24 hp
C5 = 1912 Siddeley Deasy
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2016, 11:19:13 AM »
That would be a 1904 Siddeley (not Siddeley-Deasy), but I'll give it to you anyway. I have the Deasy's date as 1906.
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2016, 11:34:31 AM »
A 3 = 1914 Haynes Model 27
B 3 = 1907 Apperson Jack Rabbit
C 1 = 1897 Haynes Apperson
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2016, 11:49:44 AM »
I have a different date on the Haynes-Apperson (1901), but you're correct.

That's your allowed three answers. Depending on how things go from here I may remove that limit later, so stay tuned.
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2016, 07:24:35 PM »
Quote from: ftg3plus4 on February 15, 2016, 11:49:44 AM
I have a different date on the Haynes-Apperson (1901), but you're correct.
So have I!
Work done by Alfred S. Lewerenz in 1962, which I drew heavily on, enabled me to write some 16 years ago:
The whole Haynes-Apperson story is confused by Elwood Haynes’ apparent re-writing of history to support his claim to have manufactured the first automobile in the U. S. A. There is a Silver Anniversary number of the Haynes Pioneer, dated July 1918, which shows early dates for various types which are clearly contradicted in contemporary issues of The Horseless Age (e.g. Horseless Age 3 October 1900 p. 31 has an advert. showing the sprung chassis (full elliptic springs) as per the photo C1).
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2016, 09:11:57 PM »
I found the puzzle car in The Standard Catalog.
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2016, 04:24:48 AM »
I haven't got the Standard Catalog to hand these days, and I can't remember what changes were made between editions.
I had another look at my own work from 1998-2000 and I see that the car in the photo C1 is the car once owned by Jack Frost whose attempt to get the VCC of GB to Date it as 1897 resulted in the 1962 work of Lewerenz I referred to. He concluded that the car could not be earlier than late 1899. When the car was re-submitted we also compared it to a car owned in the UK in period by Earl Russell and concluded 1900 was a safe conclusion, so my comment last night was a bit hasty.
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2016, 07:19:18 AM »
Based on all that, I'll just put "c1900" for the Haynes-Apperson.
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2016, 08:25:45 AM »
I suppose that A1 is a Scania model A, 1901;   B2 is a Vabis 1891; C7 is a Scania-Vabis typ III, 1920.
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2016, 08:31:46 AM »
Correct, although I have a different year for the Vabis.
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2016, 08:54:08 AM »
And I guess A8 is a Donnet D2 1926, B8 is a Zedel about 1905, and C9 is a Donnet-Zedel 1922.
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2016, 09:04:16 AM »
The years are off, but the makes are correct.
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2016, 10:46:36 AM »
This puzzle is now open to all. Further puzzlers are limited to two correct answers each.

Thank you!
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2016, 11:22:18 AM »
A2 - Hammer 24HP 1905 - C3 Hammer-Sommer Model D Touring car 1904 - B5 - Sommer Model E 1905
A6 - Croxton Six 1916 - C4 Keeton Six-48 1913 B9 Croxton-Keeton Thirty 1909
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2016, 11:27:06 AM »
Correct on A2, etc. Hammer/Sommer/Hammer-Sommer was the set of makes that actually inspired this puzzle. (Sorry, I made my post before I saw your additional answer.)
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2016, 11:41:20 AM »
A6 - Croxton Six 1916 - C4 Keeton Six-48 1913 B9 Croxton-Keeton Thirty 1909
Terrific puzzle!  :thumbsup:
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2016, 11:45:01 AM »
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 18, 2016, 11:41:20 AM
A6 - Croxton Six 1916 - C4 Keeton Six-48 1913 B9 Croxton-Keeton Thirty 1909

You have the right makes and the right picture numbers, but they're not quite matched up right. I'll count it after you correct it. (A6 / B9 / C4 are "locked" for Paul.)

Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 18, 2016, 11:41:20 AM
Terrific puzzle!  :thumbsup:
Thank you!
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2016, 11:48:06 AM »
A05: Crane Model 3 1905 - B07: Simplex Touring 1909 - C06: 1916 Crane-Simplex Model 5 Holbrook
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Re: NTM #63 - Sum of the Parts
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2016, 11:52:01 AM »
Correct, although I have very different year for the Crane (1912).
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