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Carrm 1917 transformable bodywork, "Fregoli" type
« on: December 20, 2015, 04:11:12 AM »
Who knows this car?

One point forthe correct coachbuilding company.
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Re: grob coachbuilt 2015.12.20 (04)
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2015, 02:40:04 PM »
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Re: grob coachbuilt 2015.12.20 (04)
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Re: grob coachbuilt 2015.12.20 (04)
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2016, 09:04:48 AM »
Fregoli 1914 possibly Nagal Gußkarrosserien
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Re: grob coachbuilt 2015.12.20 (04)
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2016, 09:40:46 AM »
I should say this is your point.

My source says that this is a 1917 Fregoli bodywork I personally would name "Transformer".

It was presented by a certain Senor Carrin EDIT 06.01.2015: CARRM from Buenos Aires / Argentina, who has lived in the USA then.
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Re: grob coachbuilt 2015.12.20 (04)
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2016, 09:43:01 AM »
Yes, 1917...I messed up with other answers.
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Re: Fregoli 1917 transformable bodywork
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2016, 12:59:17 PM »
Awesome stuff  :thumbsup:
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Re: Fregoli 1917 transformable bodywork
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2016, 02:08:04 PM »
In the mid 1920´s, "Gustave Carde & Fils et Cie" ( GCF ) from Bordeaux built special bodywork types on Ford T chassis.

They used the Fregoli system.

Does anybody know more about the Fregoli make or system?
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Re: Fregoli 1917 transformable bodywork
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2016, 02:11:09 PM »
In 1926 "Carrosseries Nagal" was the trademark of "Gustave Carde & Fils et Cie"
- here you have an ad for a Nagal Ford T transformation body
- is there a connection to "Brevete Fregoli" (system Fregoli)?

I would love to know more about that topic...
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Re: Fregoli 1917 transformable bodywork
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2016, 11:09:38 PM »
This car is possibly an Amco, bodied by the Carrm Convertible Body Company of New York, USA.  The Carrm (sometimes Carmm) Convertible Body Co. was a short-lived firm formed to exploit the patents of an Argentinian-born tailor turned inventor named Bazel Eli Carrm.  Mr. Carrm was granted U.S. patents on the convertible body in 1918 and 1922.  It seems only two prototypes were built, several years apart.

Here is an image from Floyd Clymer's Motor Scrapbook #6, copyright 1950 (pardon the fingertips):
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Re: Fregoli 1917 transformable bodywork
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2016, 02:09:17 AM »
Now it gets really interesting.

Ther German 1917 newspaper  changed his name into Carrin - Carrm does look strange indeed...

So now everything makes sense in my eyes - Mr. Carrm promoted this type of bodywork as System or Brevete Fregoli in 1917 in Europe and in the 1920´s GCF used some of his patents for Ford T replacement bodies in France:

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Privilege will also be granted to manufacturers to build under Carmm patents.

I really think you deserve a point for this important additional information!
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Re: Carrm 1917 transformable bodywork, "Fregoli" type
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2016, 04:19:54 PM »
American Motors inc of New York was planning to produce this Carrm convertible body on a large scale.
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Re: Carrm 1917 transformable bodywork, "Fregoli" type
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2016, 04:26:52 PM »
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Re: Carrm 1917 transformable bodywork, "Fregoli" type
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2016, 04:59:38 PM »
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Re: Carrm 1917 transformable bodywork, "Fregoli" type
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2016, 11:39:34 AM »
You will find a concise history of "Carmm Body Co., Carmm Convertible Body Co." by googling...
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