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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2016 => Topic started by: Carnut on December 10, 2015, 07:12:02 AM
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What's this, who designed it, who built it, when - for 1 point?
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Experts?
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very cute Opel Kadett , by Vignale ,shown at Geneva 1965 ?
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very cute Opel Kadett , by Vignale ,shown at Geneva 1965 ?
That's right, so that's 3 questions out of the 4 answered.
So, who actually designed it?
Locked for you to look into.
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very cute Opel Kadett , by Vignale ,shown at Geneva 1965 ?
That's right, so that's 3 questions out of the 4 answered.
So, who actually designed it?
Locked for you to look into.
Giovanni Michelotti ?
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Giovanni Michelotti ?
Not him..
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Giovanni Michelotti ?
Not him..
According to a 2009 puzzle the coupe version was his work :)
Seems Opel opened a design studio a la GM in '64 ,perhaps Erhard Schnell or Clare M MacKichan ex Chevrolet had a hand in this convertible version ?
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Definitely not Michelotti's work and nothing to do with GM/Opel either.
He was connected with Vignale..
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Virginio Vairo , a bit of an unsung hero ?
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Virginio Vairo , a bit of an unsung hero ?
The deisgner was an unsung hero (he's still around too) but unfortuntely wasn't Virginio Vairo...
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;)
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;)
I know you know!
Unfortunately it's still locked but it might yet come open again!
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I will not answer: far too easy for me.
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I will not answer: far too easy for me.
Very honourable!
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Thanks als15 , guess designer is Italian , work for any other design houses or manufacturers ?
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Thanks als15 , guess designer is Italian , work for any other design houses or manufacturers ?
Yes Italian. He only really worked for Vignale I believe, although he spent time with others as an apprentice.
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Looks like it was Pietro Frua
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Looks like it was Pietro Frua
Not that great man..
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OK, time for the Pro's to sort this one out...
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I will not answer: far too easy for me.
I will wait as well ;)
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I will not answer: far too easy for me.
I will wait as well ;)
:thumbsup:
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Rodolfo Bonetto ?
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Rodolfo Bonetto ?
Not him.
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Alfredo Zanellato
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Alfredo Zanellato
We have a winner!
Well done.
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This 1965 car was to appear again one year later, converted into a coupe (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=7566)
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Thank you for the point, it makes me feel rather awkward, because I'm not sure I understand why neither als15 nor Paul Jaray answered.
This puzzle was not easy for me, I didn't know the answer, I had to search and I couldn't find it on the Internet, once more I had to go to the good old books, but I have answered puzzles that have been very easy for me and I don't see anything wrong with that.
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Thank you for the point, it makes me feel rather awkward, because I'm not sure I understand why neither als15 nor Paul Jaray answered.
This puzzle was not easy for me, I didn't know the answer, I had to search and I couldn't find it on the Internet, once more I had to go to the good old books, but I have answered puzzles that have been very easy for me and I don't see anything wrong with that.
als15 didn't answer because he recently published a book "Vignale - Ferrari and all the other cars" - which he knew was the source of my information (as I wrote the English version for him), so he kindly stepped aside as he very obviously knew the answer, meaning it wasn't a puzzle for him.
PJ also kindly held off as he's probably read the book very recently!
There's nothing at all wrong with getting your answers from old books; any source of information you have is absolutely valid but I must say I have a vast automobile library and rarely know where to even start looking for the answers to any puzzles! They're all easier if you have an idea of the answer but if not there just wouldn't be enough hours in the day!
The original coupé was attributed to Michelotti but the job of designing and engineering the roof chop was carried out by Alfredo Vignale's nephew Alfredo Zanellato.
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Can someone explain the relation (or the difference) between Alfredo Vignale, Alfredo Zanellato and Alfredo Zanellato Vignale ? I'm rather confused.
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Can someone explain the relation (or the difference) between Alfredo Vignale, Alfredo Zanellato and Alfredo Zanellato Vignale ? I'm rather confused.
I added a line to my post.
Alfredo Zanellato is Alfredo Vignale's nephew and he spent all his childhood and formative years in the company of his uncle; so much so that he was more like a father to him (since Vignale never married he was the nearest he would ever have to a son). After his national service and some time as an apprentice (I think it was at Michelotti's newly independent design studio) he went to work for Carrozzeria Vignale where this job was one his first.
You'll have to read Alessandro Sannia's book! It's well worth your time.
I'm not sure whether Vignale was actually part of his name originally or if he added it later in honour of his uncle.
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Thanks for the explanation !
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The original coupé was attributed to Michelotti but the job of designing and engineering the roof chop was carried out be Alfredo Vignale's nephew Alfredo Zanellato.
I thought the convertible was first, and later it was rebodied as a coupe.???
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The original coupé was attributed to Michelotti but the job of designing and engineering the roof chop was carried out be Alfredo Vignale's nephew Alfredo Zanellato.
I thought the convertible was first, and later it was rebodied as a coupe.???
That's a good point and I have a feeling you're right. I'll have to investigate it.
If that was the case then it would appear Michelotti was not involved in the design..
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The original coupé was attributed to Michelotti but the job of designing and engineering the roof chop was carried out be Alfredo Vignale's nephew Alfredo Zanellato.
I thought the convertible was first, and later it was rebodied as a coupe.???
That's a good point and I have a feeling you're right. I'll have to investigate it.
If that was the case then it would appear Michelotti was not involved in the design..
The spider was the first and Michelotti was no longer cooperating with Vignale for almost 4 years, so absolutely no connection with Michelotti for this car. It is totally a design of Vignale's nephew Alfredo Zanellato.
Can someone explain the relation (or the difference) between Alfredo Vignale, Alfredo Zanellato and Alfredo Zanellato Vignale ? I'm rather confused.
Alfredo Zanellato is used to adding Vignale to his name (actually, is the surname of his mother, the sister of Alfredo Vignale) in honour of his uncle.
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Thank you for the point, it makes me feel rather awkward, because I'm not sure I understand why neither als15 nor Paul Jaray answered.
This puzzle was not easy for me, I didn't know the answer, I had to search and I couldn't find it on the Internet, once more I had to go to the good old books, but I have answered puzzles that have been very easy for me and I don't see anything wrong with that.
You are right, it was not easy at all.
I left it only because als15 wrote a book about Vignale and I had a copy.
I knew Carnut wrote the english version of it and It was easy to assume he found there this little known info.
I just followed als15 example...if it was too easy for him, after a quick look into the book, it was also easy for myself.
...and furthermore, I know how much Carnut dedicates himself in new puzzles each time (and how he is not pleased with extra-quick identifications ;D) and for just one time, I decided to pass.