Author Topic: SAC#1073 : evocation of Triumph TRS (Read 1450 times)

nicanary · « **Reply #25 on:** April 22, 2016, 02:14:08 PM »

Triumph TR2 ?

SACO · « **Reply #26 on:** April 23, 2016, 01:37:41 AM »

Not TR2 !

nicanary · « **Reply #27 on:** April 23, 2016, 04:26:56 AM »

SACO · « **Reply #28 on:** April 23, 2016, 07:00:07 AM »

Not TR4 !

nicanary · « **Reply #29 on:** April 23, 2016, 07:40:27 AM »

There's not much left! Maybe they were trying to create a 1950s racer from a Spitfire?

SACO · « **Reply #30 on:** April 23, 2016, 11:11:22 AM »

Not a Spitfire ! it's a triumph creates for the race !

nicanary · « **Reply #31 on:** April 23, 2016, 11:52:46 AM »

Do you mean it's a TRS?

SACO · « **Reply #32 on:** April 24, 2016, 01:52:04 AM »

Yes ! a prototype Triumph TR SS 1955 !
1 point for you !

nicanary · « **Reply #33 on:** April 24, 2016, 04:43:02 AM »

Thank you for the point. I think I received the point because nobody else attempted the puzzle!

The official TRS did not appear until 1959. I think this could be an eigenbau built in Germany in recent years and based on an imported 1955 TR2 or TR3. The details on the "for sale" advert are not very clear.

ropat53 · « **Reply #34 on:** April 24, 2016, 11:15:56 AM »

Quote from: nicanary on April 24, 2016, 04:43:02 AM

Thank you for the point. I think I received the point because nobody else attempted the puzzle!

The official TRS did not appear until 1959. I think this could be an eigenbau built in Germany in recent years and based on an imported 1955 TR2 or TR3. The details on the "for sale" advert are not very clear.

And with an Alfa Romeo engine

Allan L · « **Reply #35 on:** April 24, 2016, 11:49:20 AM »

Doesn't look much like a car that an engineer would have designed!
That vertical steering wheel and the near-rightangle universal joint under the bonnet makes one wonder how many similar horrors lurk unseen.
I posted a real TRS nine years ago and this was it:

nicanary · « **Reply #36 on:** April 24, 2016, 12:09:22 PM »

The gearbox doesn't look very TR either. It usually has one of those reverse-crank levers with the knob facing the engine - that slender gearlever looks more like an Alfa. I see from the sale ad that it is supposed to be based on a 1955 TR2. I'm beginning to think it's just the chassis plate!

Carnut · « **Reply #37 on:** April 25, 2016, 04:32:09 AM »

Quote from: nicanary on April 24, 2016, 04:43:02 AM

I think I received the point because nobody else attempted the puzzle!

Only because it was locked for you!
I did put a lot of searching (and the odd reply) into it but stopped looking once it got locked for you.
Incidentally I still haven't been able to found anything about this car even with the answer...

nicanary · « **Reply #38 on:** April 25, 2016, 04:39:35 AM »

Quote from: Carnut on April 25, 2016, 04:32:09 AM

Quote from: nicanary on April 24, 2016, 04:43:02 AM
I think I received the point because nobody else attempted the puzzle!

Only because it was locked for you!
I did put a lot of searching (and the odd reply) into it but stopped looking once it got locked for you.
Incidentally I still haven't been able to found anything about this car even with the answer...

I think it was probably built-up from scratch by a German classic car dealer, based on the documentation of a TR2, and fitted with the Alfa twin-cam because it looked a bit like the Triumph Sabrina engine. It's a sort of evocation of the TRS cars. The price is optimistic - 85k Euro.

Carnut · « **Reply #39 on:** April 25, 2016, 05:00:51 AM »

Years into the future, when we're all gone and memories have faded, some of these cars are going to cause all sorts of problems for the then-current crop of archivists...

nicanary · « **Reply #40 on:** April 25, 2016, 05:26:23 AM »

Quote from: Carnut on April 25, 2016, 05:00:51 AM

Years into the future, when we're all gone and memories have faded, some of these cars are going to cause all sorts of problems for the then-current crop of archivists...

Couldn't agree more. Do you remember that Belgian (?) car dealer a couple of years ago who was selling supposedly (does AP have a decent litigation lawyer?) ex-works Alfa sports racers which had in fact been made up from Alfa 1900SS mechanicals? They may have been brought in from South America. It all depends on what the vendor is prepared to admit and confirm.

Carnut · « **Reply #41 on:** April 25, 2016, 05:37:40 AM »

Yes, there's a depressingly large number of workshops churning out 1950s classic racing cars with wonderful competition histories and matching numbers... all of them 'clones'! It's not so difficult to identify them today but in 50 years time? It's going to keep a whole army of as-yet unborn lawyers in clover for many years!

Allan L · « **Reply #42 on:** April 25, 2016, 06:18:11 AM »

Don't turn over the flat stone that has Maserati Birdcage Tipo 61 2459 lurking underneath!!!

nicanary · « **Reply #43 on:** April 25, 2016, 06:39:11 AM »

All ready for Moss and Gurney to run at the 2008 Nurburgring 1000kms. Did Maserati make a "continuation" run of Birdcages? It's news to me.

All our comments are only relevant if classic cars continue to interest people in 50 years' time. Maybe the trend will be for circa 2000AD gadgets and apps. Remember that attitudes change - that's why the VSCC was formed, Bentleys and 30/98s were being turned into breakdown trucks!

SACO - sorry for turning your interesting puzzle into a personal conversation between members with a common complaint!

Carnut · « **Reply #44 on:** April 25, 2016, 11:42:11 AM »

I've found the website where this car is for sale and quote the following from it:

QUOTE
The triumph TR SS is a one of a kind. We have purchased the TR SS nearly 15 years ago as a restoration object. After many years of restoration our triumph TR has mastered now successfully the first missions (including test day four at the Salzburgring) SS. Everything works great. The TR SS is really fun! For more information about the vehicle we are gladly at any time at the disposal. Additional photos can be found on our homepage.
UNQUOTE

This is of course a computer translation.. The car is described as 1955 but that must be the TR2 on which it is based; surely it can't have existed for 61 years without anyone knowing about it?!

The following pictures come from this website:

D-type · « **Reply #45 on:** April 25, 2016, 03:54:51 PM »

For accuracy should we perhaps add the word "Fake" to the thread title?

SACO · « **Reply #46 on:** April 25, 2016, 04:40:37 PM »

Yes ! sorry for this fake !

nicanary · « **Reply #47 on:** April 25, 2016, 04:52:30 PM »

Quote from: SACO on April 25, 2016, 04:40:37 PM

Yes ! sorry for this fake !

IMHO it's not a fake. It's not pretending to be a TRS, but it's a modern interpretation of a similar style of car. Probably that's why they called it TR SS. I think calling it an evocation is a good idea.

Carnut · « **Reply #48 on:** April 26, 2016, 04:20:00 AM »

And I think it's a great puzzle!

D-type · « **Reply #49 on:** April 26, 2016, 03:56:52 PM »

Yes, nicanary, I agree that "Evocation" is the right word as there was no attempt at deception nor was the maker trying to make an exact replica.

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