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Solved: PN #446 -- Tibor Deme's hill-climb racer, cca 1980
« on: February 02, 2013, 10:39:41 AM »
Please identify this car for a point. Let's see: builder (very difficult), first or later engine (first one is easy, another one was installed later, not so easy) and approximate year of builder - these are required together
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Re: PN #446
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2013, 12:37:58 AM »
Experts?
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Re: PN #446
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2013, 02:46:34 AM »
osella?

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Re: PN #446
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2013, 03:11:37 AM »
no
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Re: PN #446
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2013, 02:37:36 PM »
European barquette?

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Re: PN #446
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2013, 02:44:20 PM »
yes
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Re: PN #446
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2013, 03:51:01 PM »
first engine ford pinto 2000?
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Re: PN #446
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2013, 04:26:53 PM »
no
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Re: PN #446
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2013, 08:09:10 AM »
From Germany?

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Re: PN #446
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2013, 08:14:23 AM »
no
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Re: PN #446
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2013, 08:40:33 AM »
French?

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Re: PN #446
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2013, 09:52:59 AM »
no
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Re: PN #446
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2013, 10:55:19 AM »
Lola?

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Re: PN #446
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2013, 11:08:38 AM »
no
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Re: PN #446
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2013, 02:29:27 PM »
Italian?

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Re: PN #446
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2013, 12:01:45 AM »
not Italian.

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Re: PN #446
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2013, 06:34:06 AM »
Lada-engined?

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Re: PN #446
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2013, 06:35:49 AM »
yes, during the first few races this car sported a Lada engine, but later it was replaced with a powertrain from another brand
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Re: PN #446
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2013, 08:13:52 AM »
Arsenal by Frigyes Bank c.1980? - originally Lada powered, later Fiat?

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Re: PN #446
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2013, 08:32:53 AM »
no, this has got nothing to do with the Arsenal. That's a totally different road-legal car. This one is a racer. But you're right, this one was built in Hungary
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Re: PN #446
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2013, 11:59:13 AM »
no, this has got nothing to do with the Arsenal. That's a totally different road-legal car. This one is a racer. But you're right, this one was built in Hungary
I realised that was a wild guess as I couldn't find any photos of the Arsenal but thought it was worth a try!

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Re: PN #446
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2013, 03:35:03 AM »
Was NSU engine installed after the Lada one?

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Re: PN #446
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2013, 03:45:34 AM »
no
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Re: PN #446
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2013, 07:45:37 AM »
Was the picture taken during Pecs hillclimb, if you have this information? In around 1981.

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Re: PN #446
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2013, 08:10:20 AM »
According to Google Maps it was taken about 445 km from Pécs but the date is about right
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