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Solved: PN #930 -- Carlton, 1928
« on: August 14, 2016, 07:14:27 AM »
Please identify the brand of this car for a point. A year would also be great
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Re: PN #930
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2016, 05:14:00 AM »
Experts?
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Re: PN #930
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2016, 06:57:29 AM »
Professionals?
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Re: PN #930
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2016, 12:47:40 PM »
Made in Hungary ?

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Re: PN #930
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2016, 01:55:02 PM »
no and not in Austria either
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Re: PN #930
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2016, 02:54:23 PM »
Made in a former Warsaw Pact country ?

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Re: PN #930
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2016, 03:41:21 PM »
no
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Re: PN #930
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2016, 03:47:03 PM »
Made in Scandinavia ?

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Re: PN #930
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2016, 03:55:14 PM »
no
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Re: PN #930
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2016, 03:59:33 PM »
Made in Europe ?

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Re: PN #930
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2016, 04:18:40 PM »
no
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Re: PN #930
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2016, 04:41:58 PM »
Made in North America ?

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Re: PN #930
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2016, 09:17:19 PM »
1926 Flint?

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Re: PN #930
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2016, 11:11:54 PM »
not from North America, not a Flint and not from 1926
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Re: PN #930
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2016, 12:51:14 AM »
Made in Australasia ?

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Re: PN #930
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2016, 04:48:31 AM »
yes
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Re: PN #930
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2016, 05:04:17 AM »
Made in Australia ?

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Re: PN #930
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2016, 05:31:23 AM »
no
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Re: PN #930
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2016, 06:05:47 AM »
Made in New Zealand between 1925 and 1930 ?

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Re: PN #930
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2016, 06:08:39 AM »
exactly. Take your time, you have a 16-hour lock
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Re: PN #930
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2016, 06:28:45 AM »
1928 Carlton, made in Gisborne by John Birch

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Re: PN #930
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2016, 06:35:09 AM »
well-found
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Re: Solved: PN #930 -- Carlton, 1928
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2016, 06:43:27 AM »
Thanks for my 582nd point !

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Re: Solved: PN #930 -- Carlton, 1928
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2016, 09:06:07 AM »
John Birch was an interesting person.  The above images called him "G. Burch".  He went by the names John, George (after his father), and Bill.

He made four automobiles.  The first was completed in 1919 in Blenheim (cropped image attached).  The second was called both the Marlborough, and the Carlton.  I have attached an image of what appears to be the second car.  It is labelled as a Marlborough, and probably used the puzzle car chassis.

The restoration carried out by the Gisborne Vintage Car Club, turned the surviving Carlton truck, into the original automobile form.  I haven't found images of the restored car.

The fourth car was called the "baby Carlton".  I have found no images of the final car.