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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2015 => Topic started by: Wendax on April 21, 2012, 01:27:02 AM
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I'm not absolutely sure what car this is. I have an idea, but couldn't confirm it.
For one point, please respond and identify this car (with proof).
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Seen this one before just recently on another "What is it"?
Manuel in Oz
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Keep us informed when they have a solution. It might bring you a point. ;)
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I cannot find the exact image provided, but the car shares a lot of characteristics with various Hispano-Suiza pictures I have found.
Size of headlights, cross-bar between headlights, shiny flat plane between radiator and bumper, shape of bumper, high-mounted wipers connected by a bar. (Understanding, many cars from the 30's share all these characteristics)
The shiny part of the radiator with the triangle, I believe is an aftermarket add-on, which can be found on many other brands of car. I have seen this radiator cover on at least one other Hispano-Suiza.
One of the hardest features of this car to find in an image, is the longitudinal dividing line on the fenders. I have found other H-S's with character lines in the front fenders, but they are usually centered on the lights on top of the fenders.
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Very interesting!
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I agree with sixtee5cuda. But my head screams "Isotta-Fraschini," even though the grill doesn't match exactly. Is that the make?
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The emblem in the triangle didn't look like Hispano-Suiza or Isotta Fraschini, but like one from a completely different make. It remains a mystery. As said before, I need a proof, because I don't know for sure.
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Is the car German?
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Following the radiator emblem, yes, but I might be wrong.
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Horch?
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No, the radiator emblem follows the triangular pattern
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Wanderer?
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Adler Standard, circa 1930?
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Neither Wanderer nor Adler
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1929 Mannesmann?
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No
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Last guess for now: Certus?
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Hansa-Lloyd?
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No and no
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Could it be a 1920's Audi ?
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Don't think so
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Maybach ?
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A 1931 DKW 4=8 grill shell has a similarly-shaped emblem. Could this be the culprit?
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Not Maybach and not DKW
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Selve?
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No
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Hanomag?
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Yes, that's what I think it is looking at the radiator, but I need a proof what this car really is in order to grant a point.
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Yes, this looks definitly like a Hanomag logo.
But I do not have an idea about the type really, yet.
It might be an early Rekord or Sturm, but I´ve got to check...
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Regarding the size, the exquisite bodywork and the background setting I thought of an early Hanomag Sturm, but couldn't find any picture that resembled this car.
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It seems even too big for an early Sturm... Strange ???
Special bodies for Hanomags have been built by Ambi-Budd, Hebmüller, Karmann and Wendler in the mid 1930´s in bigger numbers.
But this body does not even look german in my eyes...
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It seems even too big for an early Sturm... Strange ???
That's the reason why - when I first saw this picture - I saved it under "Das ist doch kein Hanomag" (That ain't no Hanomag) ;D
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It looks like a ca. 1929-33 styling and the Sturm debuted just in 1934 with a much more modern body and a different grille.
All the Garant and Rekord models etc. were relatively small cars, not to speak of the tiny Kommißbrot.
This is indeed special... :P
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The emblem in the triangle certainly does look like some Hanomag symbols I have seen.
For a large german car to be made in the 1930's, by a small company, I suspect it was intended for royal or military use.
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Hmmm. I was wandering in another direction, and found a screen capture from a 1965 movie called Shakespeare Wallah. It shows a 1930's car, with the same type of grill, with the same triangular opening at the top. The image claims the car is a Hispano-Suiza. Strange.
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To be honest, Hispano Suiza at the beginning was my first intention, too.
But the Logo has never looked like this to my best knowledge.
There never has been an "H" in the middle of the Hispano-Suiza-logo:
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...and there is no hood ornament on our puzzle car, an item seldom missed at Hispano-Suizas of the Thirties.
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The Selve Selecta had similarly styled fenders:
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I'm trying to think "outside the box" (or maybe just "out of my head") here. Is it possible that the circular emblem on the headlight bar is not an emblem, but a siren? Like maybe for a government official's limousine?
Then there's the radiator/grill shield. If it (and whatever it is on the light bar) was removed, this angle photo would have a very different appearance. More like the attached photo of a 1934 Hispano-Suiza. Yeah, I know...there's the radiator mascot that's conspicuous by its absence, but then looking at the photo, if it had, say a Lalique mascot and the chauffeur was preparing to drive Madam et Monsieur somewhere of little importance on a winter's day, perhaps it was replaced by a dull and boring, merely functional cap.
The only thing I haven't been able to identify is the sculptured fenders. Most of the Hissos I've run across have fenders that don't extend nearly as far down on the front edge. I don't know if this is a characteristic of a certain coachbuilder or not. If it is, that might account for it.
I've gotta quit searching for this on the web and leafing thru books and get to work on my race car.
RtR
(out of the box and out of his head)
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I think that the round item on the radiator bar is just an ordinary horn.
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That's a more probable explanation, especially since there are no "ahh-oo-gah" horns below the headlights.
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What is the shiny thing at the bottom of the radiator? On the last H-S shown, it is black.
On RtR's picture, that car has most of the features I was describing as common to H-S. If you were to convert the image to B&W, the radiator emblem would look even more like a stylized H with a bar across it...
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I´m sure the puzzle pic is not a Hispano Suiza!
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I just wish I could find another source for the original picture, or another picture of the same car. Especially since I think I have seen it before.
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What is the shiny thing at the bottom of the radiator? On the last H-S shown, it is black.
On RtR's picture, that car has most of the features I was describing as common to H-S. If you were to convert the image to B&W, the radiator emblem would look even more like a stylized H with a bar across it...
I think it's the magneto. Not anywhere near positive and I'm sure someone will correct me. ;D
Funny thing. The front end is very similar to a 1929-30 Auburn...all of the 8- series that I have in my reference libraries seem to have the same grill shell and "V"-shaped emblem:
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I have seen the pic before as well.
Manuel in Oz
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Another design point of note on this car, the wings / fenders curve down behind the front bumper.
I thought I had found another photo of the same model only to notice the front wings are still too high.
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I think it is indeed a Hanomag, but this one really kills me.
There has not been a Hanomag car this big in the 1925-1933 period, when the puzzle car must have been built.
Maybe it has been a prototype for a big limousine that never reached production because of the 1929 global depression?
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Just my thoughts. But I haven't read a single mention of such a car so far. I also had a look whether the background palace looks like one of those connected to the House of Hanover, but to no avail.
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Waiting in the Black Hole until somebody may enlighten us.
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I want to know what this is!
>:(
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Ich auch! :sigh:
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Puzzle picture added again. The more I look at it, the more I tend to say that Hanomag is the wrong answer. We should follow the Hispano-Suiza trail.
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Puzzle picture added again. The more I look at it, the more I tend to say that Hanomag is the wrong answer. We should follow the Hispano-Suiza trail.
Not unless the picture has been flipped, because Hispano Suiza never made a single LHD car, not in Spain, France or Czechoslovakia. Same as Isotta Fraschini and Bugatti.
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Right. ;)
However the Hanomag guess is only based upon the logo.
The longer I look upon this photo I tend to say it is not a german design...
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Good news, folks! I found the car. It is a Hanomag with a German coachbuilt body, and it is smaller than it looks. New guesses will be accepted now. ;D
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Hanomag then... :D
Is it one of the better known coachbuilders that built this bodywork?
If so, my fist guess would be Buhne.
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I also think I found it
1933 Hanomag by Musigk & Haas.
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I started from the wrong side of this book... :P
I think you´re right ;)
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Yes, I found this picture below today, and it reminded me of the Musigk & Haas BMW 3/20 PS. A look at a well known site brought the positive ID. It is probably a Hanomag 4/23 PS.
Two well earned points for ropat.
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It looked so much bigger in the puzzle photo... :o
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Another picture:
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Another view:
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supercool...
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It's so Tiny!
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Yes, the first photo made it look sooo much bigger than it really was!
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Rear view:
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Yet another view:
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:thumbsup:
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One more:
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Yes, I found this picture below today, and it reminded me of the Musigk & Haas BMW 3/20 PS. A look at a well known site brought the positive ID. It is probably a Hanomag 4/23 PS.
On the same well known site an eagle-eyed member recognized the coachbuilder's plate as a Keibl one. It perfectly fits with the A (for Austria) at the back of the car and the palace in the background which is the Upper Belvedere in Vienna. The Musigk & Haas logo looked quite different. I'll change the headline.