Topic: Solved: Wendax 1687 - Conrad Weiss tricycle

[4popoid]

Bayerland?

[Wendax]

No

[4popoid]

Excelsior?

[Wendax]

No

[4popoid]

I just came across this: "Mayr war auch von 1923 bis 1924 am Maja-Werk beteiligt und fertigte zwischen 1925 und 1934 Dreirad-Nutzfahrzeuge in seinem Unternehmen Mayr-Dreiräder - Kleinfahrzeugbau Mayr."  My German is very poor (almost non-existant), but from this it appears that Karl Mayr made small three- wheeled commercial vehicles in Munich between 1925 and 1934.  Might the puzzle vehicle be one of those? 

[Wendax]

No, Mayr's threewheelers had a front axle and a single rear wheel, like the Mayrette we had before: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=31269.0

[grobmotorix]

Was this one built by Konrad Weiß?

[Bill Murray]

Hmmmm. Burkhard.

I wonder if both of us stumbled upon the same reference on the www?

Bill

[4popoid]

A vehicle by Motorenfabrik Conrad Weiss, Holzstraße 49. München (production 1923-1932).

[Wendax]

Was this one built by Konrad Weiß?

Yes, it is a delivery tricycle by Conrad Weiß (or Weiss, even in their own brochures they used both). One more point for you.

[Wendax]

The original picture and some more Weiss products:

[Bill Murray]

Thanks very much, Gerd, for the unmolested original photo and the new ones.

If you don't mind, I will tell the tale here of my own saga in trying to solve this very interesting puzzle.

I know absolutely nothing about motorcycles so I had to use another method to try to resolve what the answer might be.

As I have before, I decided to use the owner's name as my starting point and try to work my way around to figuring out what marque the motorcycle was.

Almost immediately, I ran into an EU law, "The Right To Be Forgotten", which basically allows a person or a company to petition their local country "Data Protection Agency" to not allow their names to be openly presented on such web sites as Google, Wikipedia etc. etc.  Many bad things happened to people and companies in Europe between WW1 and the end of WW2 and even longer and a lot of those things they would rather not have available to the general public.

So, when I first started with "Max Bogopolsky", I was getting nowhere.

As I recognized the item on the back of the cycle as a travel trunk, in US English, I Googled that on Google.de and came up with an advertisement for such a trunk which is posted below.  That advertisement also gave me the address of the business, Kaufingerstrasse 34, Munich and also confirmed the owner's name.

Here, it got interesting.  The "Right To Be Forgotten" law covers direct references to a person or a business in the sense of a written dialogue but apparently not individual photos, especially something like an advertisement that happens to mention a company name.

It apparently also does not cover the mention of individual names or company names when contained in lists of names or transactions that do not have to do specifically with that individual or company.

I then Googled Max Bogopolsky, Kaufingerstrasse 34 Munich and viola...........

I got a reference to the State Archives of Munich Police Headquarters where there was a listing of hundreds of names of people who came to the attention of the Police, in this case, 1933.

There was Max Bogopolsky in the list along with the following information.
Jewish
Born 3/6/1890 in Kherson, Ukraine
Leather Goods Business Owner
Married to Rosa
Referred for investigation for the following.
Fraud
Perjury
Unfair competition
Selling out without reporting it
Pandering
Racial Defilement
Filing Accident Report
Put in Protective Custody
Expelled

I have seen this before, he was caught up in the National Socialist First Phase to rid Germany of it's Jewish population wherein they harassed Jewish people until they left or were expelled, early in their administration.

I then checked several Holocaust sites and found our name again on a long list of people who had apparently left Germany with outstanding debts.  No other data.

I then tried Googling the name on the national Google sites of known destinations for Jewish people who were able to leave Germany early on.

On Google Palestine, I found in The Palestine Gazette 06/06/1935 in a long listing of business transactions that Max and Rosa started a business in Jerusalem on 29/08/1934 and that on 01/05/1935, that company was dissolved and Max took over as sole owner.  No further details.

On Google Israel, I found a telephone listing for our Max and it listed his occupation as "Broker".
This was in the 1950s I think, I forgot to save the page.

Finally, I went back to the photo and Googled Munich Koffer Bogopolsky and found an apparent out of date advertisement on Alando.de for a photo which seems to match yours.  I will try to paste it below.  I could not find the photo but it did give the name of the motor bike company but by that time the puzzle was solved.

In any case, it was quite an interesting research project and shows again that there are many ways to come to some sort of answer than just looking for photographs.

Bill

4 Ergebnisse für pkw anhaenger motorrad
www.alando.de/sch/i.html?LH...1... - Translate this page
Tandemanhänger Auto Pkw Anhänger koffer offener Kasten Transporter ... Großes Foto Conrad Weiss Motorrad mit Reklame Anhänger Bogopolsky Mädler Koffer ... Conrad Weiss Motorrad mit Reklame Anhänger Käse Hindelang München !

[Wendax]

Very interesting and entertaining. 
That's what AutoPuzzles is about, not only knowing, but learning.

[Allan L]

Very interesting and entertaining. 
That's what AutoPuzzles is about, not only knowing, but learning.

Yes I agree with that!
Particularly interesting that you can tell us that in so much detail, as I find I don't record much about blind alleys and false starts.
Also interesting that the Right to be Forgotten seems to be helpfully leaky!

[oko94]

Amazing detective work, Bill !

[pguillem]

Amazing detective work, Bill !

Everything in a photograph can be a hint, and most often the description gives only part of the information.  What a great idea it was, to look at the travel trunk and what a powerful insight was Mr. Bogopolsky's trail in Palestine ! Everything can be the key, but it takes time to investigate and sometimes we have shortcuts, especially with indexing and computers. Bill, you could be a private investigator !

[Wendax]

I left the Bogopolsky name in the puzzle picture as a hint to Munich. Amazing to see what Bill found out on his way to the solution.

[Bill Murray]

My Dear Friends,

This has now become a bit embarrassing for me.

First, I wish to thank you for all of the kind comments.  But.....I hope/wish you to know that I was not trying to be a bragger or a know it all.

I was merely excited that the way I tried to use perhaps non-traditional search criteria seemed to work for me and I was trying to share that feeling and a bit of the methodology with the family here.

As you guys and many others on the Forum are aware, I am 75 years old and I have been an enthusiastic amateur researcher since the mid 1950's.  Up until the maturing of the concept of Information Technology, specifically the coming of Windows 95 and then Google in the early 2000 period this research was carried out as it had been since the invention of pen and paper/the post/libraries etc.

I still have 12 filing cabinets full of correspondence, often handwritten, photos, brochures etc. and probably 20 meters of full size book cases filled with stuff collected through personal visits to other enthusiasts and libraries and through the national Post Offices of dozens of countries "snail mail".
And, over the years it cost me a pretty penny to collect all this stuff and pay the postage.

Now, in 2015, if I have the patience, I can sit at my computer and access dozens of private and national archives both photographic and written records from all over the world in a single sitting or at least a single day.  What a tremendous change just in the last 15-20 years of my life for sure.
And, other than the cost of a computer, my internet connection cost and some other small fees, it is almost free.

Regarding my main posting, may I apologize here for posting personal information regarding the Bogopolsky family with regard to the Munich Police.  I meant no harm, but I now realize that it violates the spirit of "The Right To Be Forgotten" legislation.  I just got mixed up in following the history of the motorcycle and the history of the family.  Of course, it also answered one of my questions as to whether there were further vehicles to be found which I have found to be the case in some other similar searches.  That was why there were no more.

So, to finish yet another book length post, thanks for your comments and I hope you and other readers do not get the wrong impression of my post.

May I leave this post with the thought that sometimes you "have to think outside the box".

Bill

[Wendax]

 

[Bill Murray]

Thanks, Gerd...........

To add a bit of fun to the thread, regarding pguillem's and oko94's posts.......

In my checkered past, I married a young lady, age 19 years, when I was age 20 years.

I had completed only one year of University at that point and my Wife Pat only married me if I promised to complete my University studies.  I agreed.

It took me another 8 years to complete my University education.  We just kept having children, 3 in all.  I would work for half a year, a whole year or even two years to save money to return to University and then go back and take as many courses as I could.

During the years 1961/1962, I was a Police Officer in the city of San Diego California.  This based on the fact that it was a very well paying job at the time.  Also, I came from a military family and as I was not able to have a career in the US Marine Corps because of a history of allergy problems, I thought this might be a substitute for a military career.  It didn't turn out that way but..............

Maybe that is where I learned to be a detective or a private investigator.

PS:  Pat and I celebrated our 55th Anniversary on the 20th August.

Bill