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Solved: Wendax 1472 - Matford V8-62 Familiale by Tual
« on: January 12, 2015, 02:43:27 AM »
Base car shouldn't be too hard to find.

For one point, please respond and identify car and coachbuilder.
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2015, 02:32:03 AM »
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2015, 10:17:29 AM »
1937-ish Ford Eifel stretched limousine?
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2015, 10:21:15 AM »
The year is almost correct, it is not a Ford Eifel though.
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2015, 02:01:56 PM »
Opel?
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2015, 02:08:04 PM »
No, the previous guess was better.
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2015, 02:23:14 AM »
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2015, 04:02:33 AM »
Hi Gerd:

It is 0344 in the morning here so I am not at my best, but.........

Based on the style of the cooling louvers in the motor hood and the free standing headlamps mounted on a 1937/8 style
front end, the car should be either a 1936 Matford V8 or a British Ford V8 from the same year.
Personally, I think it is a Matford.

I have been struggling to find a coach builder with no luck.  The closest I have come so far is the German firm
Hubmüller but that would be a strange combination.  The German Ford of the same year looks almost exactly
the same but it has different style cooling louvers.

Am I close??

Bill
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2015, 04:12:18 AM »
Yes, it is a 1936 Matford, and you are right assuming that a German coachbuilder working on a Matford would be a strange combination. I don't give too much away by telling that it is a French coachbuilder who was responsible for this job.

Locked for you for one try at the coachbuilder.
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2015, 07:43:42 AM »
Thank You, Gerd for the tip.

As you know, I dislike guessing but this is a stumper so far.

Based on all that I could find so far, I will go with Kellner as the supplier of the body.
This is based on the photos below that show  1935 and a 1936 Matfords both described as "Familiales"
and the bodywork is believed to be by Kellner in both cases.

Bill

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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2015, 07:56:01 AM »
No, we are talking about a less known coachbuilder than Kellner. But it was mentioned at AP before, at least!  :)
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2015, 10:22:03 AM »
Hi Gerd:

A lot of research but no results.
I will continue to look but in the meantime, please unlock it and give someone else a chance.

Bill
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2015, 11:59:52 AM »
As you wish: unlocked and open for all.
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2015, 01:29:02 PM »
Janer?
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2015, 02:38:36 PM »
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2015, 04:29:49 PM »
1936 Matford by Chausson?
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2015, 04:36:52 PM »
Not Chausson
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2015, 04:44:32 PM »
1936 Matford by Carrosserie Charles Duval?
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2015, 04:48:16 PM »
No
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2015, 12:28:49 AM »
Given your Reply #10, I'm assuming that this is a rather obscure coachbuilder.  Still there is at least one rather well known coachbuilder that did a number of Matfords, so I have to ask.  Is the coachbuilder Antem, or more obscure?
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2015, 01:33:40 AM »
Not Antem, more obscure
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2015, 05:22:51 AM »
Mignot & Billebault?
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2015, 06:02:49 AM »
No
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2015, 06:32:19 AM »
Louis Galle'?
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Re: Wendax 1472
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2015, 06:46:49 AM »
OK, I really do not wish to take away from the efforts of Spence and Fabrizio but I have found it after working since about
0130 this morning.

The body maker is, well, almost who you want it to be.
Victor Tual
Tual-Tredion
Tual & Gourmelen

According to the French National Archives, the company traded under all three names and there is also a history book
on the company using the Gourmelen name.

Based on what I found on the internet, I would suggest this car was built when the company was called Tual-Tredion, Tredion being the location of the bodyworks.

I give full credit to Gerd here as his tip about the name being used on AP before gave me my final chance as I had exhausted all of my fairly extensive references to French auto coachmakers.

I went back from today in the solved section of AP, page by page and looked at any and all coachbuilders mentioned that did busses or trucks as I have a very poor data base of such builders.  I finally found a possibility on one of Pal's quizzes from about a year ago and several searches using combinations of the names finally gave me the puzzle car.

Now, I wonder who built the 1936 Matford familiale that I posted earlier as these are the only two photos I could find.
I wonder if it is the same car perhaps after the war and repainted?
Edit:  I guess I can answer my own question.  My car had a boot, the puzzle car does not so it is a different car and still a mystery.

Bill
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