Author Topic: Solved -PJ626- MGR F3, 1969  (Read 2931 times)

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Solved -PJ626- MGR F3, 1969
« on: September 30, 2014, 03:24:54 AM »
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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2014, 04:52:30 AM »
Formule France?
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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2014, 05:39:59 AM »
The few elements I have (builders, engine, where it was shown, etc...) says 'no' but there are some similarities.

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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2014, 05:43:40 AM »
But it is Renault-based?
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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2014, 07:02:59 AM »
It even has Renault badge on its body, if it's not just something similar.

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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2014, 07:14:32 AM »
It is Renault-powered.

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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2014, 07:19:13 AM »
Ah yes!  To be honest I hadn't even spotted the Renault badge on the side, but noticed that the wheels looked very Renault-ish.

Of course, a logo on the side of a race car doesn't always mean that it is using their engine (e.g. F1 Infinity Red Bull Racing, Lada, Leyland Williams, etc.)  ;)
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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2014, 07:57:18 AM »
Since you mentioned the 'where it was shown' part, could it be not French, but, say, Belgian?

As for the logo-engine connection, I suspect back in the days it was easier to understand :P

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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2014, 07:58:01 AM »
Since you mentioned the 'where it was shown' part, could it be not French, but, say, Belgian?
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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2014, 07:58:59 AM »
Argentina?

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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2014, 08:06:44 AM »
Wrong continent.

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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2014, 01:54:04 AM »
So, European?

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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2014, 01:56:49 AM »
Yes!

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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2014, 01:59:41 AM »
Would be surprised, but is it Italian?

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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2014, 04:15:57 AM »
Yes!

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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2014, 04:38:31 AM »
Is the engine a Renault 8 956cc unit? Would make it fit into the F3 regulations of those years.

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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2014, 05:32:47 AM »
According to my source it's a Renault-powered F3...no details about which engine, but I believe you are right.  ;)

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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2014, 05:54:31 AM »
1966?

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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2014, 06:13:20 AM »
Or a 1967 FC1000 of Franco Conti, by any chance? I don't know which engine it used, though.

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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2014, 07:34:27 AM »
The bodywork appears to be an attempt at a wedge shape, which became fashionable towards the 1969/71 period. I've checked the race entries for Italian F3 for that era, and there's nothing Renault powered. Earlier years had works Alpines, and the French BEP cars, but I can't imagine why an Italian constructor would use a Renault engine when it was clearly uncompetitive.

Was it ever raced?
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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2014, 07:45:37 AM »
That's what puzzles me as well  :huh:

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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2014, 04:35:40 PM »
This car was shown in 1969 in a racetrack. I've never heard of it and I don't think it ever raced.

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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2014, 02:11:17 AM »
Was it in Monza?

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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2014, 07:52:50 AM »
Yes!

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Re: PJ - 626
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2014, 08:06:52 AM »
Sadly, that doesn't help much. I could only suppose now that the builder was based in Milano or around. Also, if there is a name mentioned, do you have any information on whether the builder was also a racing driver himself?