Topic: Solved -PJ589- Etceterini Madness #2

[Paul Jaray]

#11 is now unlocked.

[Carnut]

Is the full name of et3 an Ermini 357 Sport, from 1955?

Nope.

What about an Ermini Sport Competizione 1100 then (also from 1955)?

It's not what I'm looking for. There is a name missing, the name of the person who built it.

I've spent a lot of time trying to find more out about this car.  It's actually pictured on numerous sites but is always simply captioned as an Ermini Sport Competizione 1955, obviously because that's how it's entered into events; but I know it's not actually an Ermini!
It seems that the frame was originally built by a mechanic called Righini and differs completely from the normal Ermini frame.  At some stage (whether originally or not I don't now) it was fitted with a Type 114 Ermini 1100 engine and was given the body which was actually the first Frua body fitted to an Ermini 357 (see picture below of it back in the mid 1950s).
Other than that I haven't been able to find anything else out (but I am still looking!)

[Paul Jaray]

Is the full name of et3 an Ermini 357 Sport, from 1955?

Nope.

What about an Ermini Sport Competizione 1100 then (also from 1955)?

It's not what I'm looking for. There is a name missing, the name of the person who built it.

I've spent a lot of time trying to find more out about this car.  It's actually pictured on numerous sites but is always simply captioned as an Ermini Sport Competizione 1955, obviously because that's how it's entered into events; but I know it's not actually an Ermini!
It seems that the frame was originally built by a mechanic called Righini and differs completely from the normal Ermini frame.  At some stage (whether originally or not I don't now) it was fitted with a Type 114 Ermini 1100 engine and was given the body which was actually the first Frua body fitted to an Ermini 357 (see picture below of it back in the mid 1950s).
Other than that I haven't been able to find anything else out (but I am still looking!)

Intersting! According to my source, the frame was built by an unknow worker of a famous company during week-ends. The body was by an unknown coachbuilder from the same place of the person who commissioned those works and the engine has always been a brand new Ermini one.

[targhediferro]

Is number 10 based on Fiat 1100/103?

[Carnut]

Intersting! According to my source, the frame was built by an unknow worker of a famous company during week-ends. The body was by an unknown coachbuilder from the same place of the person who commissioned those works and the engine has always been a brand new Ermini one.

Email sent!

[thorax]

# 11: Fiat 500 C Beccaria?

[Paul Jaray]

Is number 10 based on Fiat 1100/103?

Not a 1100\103.

# 11: Fiat 500 C Beccaria?

Take a look at Reply #11, 13 and 17...this one is practically solved. Not locked anymore, BTW. 

[Carnut]

Intersting! According to my source, the frame was built by an unknow worker of a famous company during week-ends. The body was by an unknown coachbuilder from the same place of the person who commissioned those works and the engine has always been a brand new Ermini one.

Email sent!

A bit more info:
The 1954 Frua body of et3 was originally fitted to an Ermini 357 as said before, and was raced by a driver named John Buoncristiani.  The body of this car was replaced by a Morelli body in 1955 (pictured below as it is now) but the puzzle car body was fitted to the frame made by Righini quite a bit later (perhaps only in the 1960s) when the 1100 Ermini engine was fitted too;  I still can't say who commissioned the building of this illegitimate car though.

[Wendax]

# 11: Fiat 500 C Beccaria?

Take a look at Reply #11, 13 and 17...this one is practically solved. Not locked anymore, BTW. 

#11 was built in 1948 by Remo Gattai, owner of the Garage Rondine in Prato (FI). It had motorcycle fenders at the beginning and later faired fenders by the 1951 regulation. The car was equipped with a Lancia Ardea engine, reduced to 750cc to compete in this category and a 5-speed gearbox.

[thorax]

# 13: Urania?
# 6: Giai Speciale (1949)?

[thorax]

# 18: Fiat 1100 Nardi

[Paul Jaray]

Intersting! According to my source, the frame was built by an unknow worker of a famous company during week-ends. The body was by an unknown coachbuilder from the same place of the person who commissioned those works and the engine has always been a brand new Ermini one.

Email sent!

A bit more info:
The 1954 Frua body of et3 was originally fitted to an Ermini 357 as said before, and was raced by a driver named John Buoncristiani.  The body of this car was replaced by a Morelli body in 1955 (pictured below as it is now) but the puzzle car body was fitted to the frame made by Righini quite a bit later (perhaps only in the 1960s) when the 1100 Ermini engine was fitted too;  I still can't say who commissioned the building of this illegitimate car though.

I have a different story and now I can share it: Mr. Buoncristiani had a couple of Sports built for him in the 50s...This one had a chassis mady by a Piaggio employer and the body (that body) made by an unknown coachbuilder of his place.
I know your source is quite reliable but mine is too! I'm not home but I'll try to translate my source later.

[Paul Jaray]

# 11: Fiat 500 C Beccaria?

Take a look at Reply #11, 13 and 17...this one is practically solved. Not locked anymore, BTW. 

#11 was built in 1948 by Remo Gattai, owner of the Garage Rondine in Prato (FI). It had motorcycle fenders at the beginning and later faired fenders by the 1951 regulation. The car was equipped with a Lancia Ardea engine, reduced to 750cc to compete in this category and a 5-speed gearbox.

Sorry, I forgot to add Reply 39:

#et11 : a Giaur  750 sport ?

Not Giaur.

#11 : According to my source this car was built in 1948 by Remo Gattai, using a Fiat Topolino chassis and a Lancia Ardea engine with a reduced capacity of 750cc.

Ok nearly there.
As I told Mekubb, I need to names: Remo Gattai is the key for both these names.
1 of this was Rondine (or better 'Garage Rondine'). What about the 2nd? Locked for mekubb and João

It's all correct, but Remo Gattai can be associated with another name too. It's not a person but a firm's name.
You can find it online too. Not locked.

[Paul Jaray]

# 13: Urania?
# 6: Giai Speciale (1949)?
# 18: Fiat 1100 Nardi

#13: Not Urania
#6: already found by Targhediferro.
#18: Not Nardi

[Wendax]

It's all correct, but Remo Gattai can be associated with another name too. It's not a person but a firm's name.
You can find it online too. Not locked.

Motor RG?

[Paul Jaray]

It's all correct, but Remo Gattai can be associated with another name too. It's not a person but a firm's name.
You can find it online too. Not locked.

Motor RG?

Yes!

[Paul Jaray]

#15: Not an obscure name. Not named after its builder. Later designs were quite distinctive.

[Paul Jaray]

#15: Not an obscure name. Not named after its builder. Later designs were quite distinctive.

I'm sure 90% of you know this name...there's a clue about it in this very puzzle...take a look at the pictures...

[Paul Jaray]

#15: Not an obscure name. Not named after its builder. Later designs were quite distinctive.

I'm sure 90% of you know this name...there's a clue about it in this very puzzle...take a look at the pictures...

Let me rephrase that: in 1 picture, there is another car from the same workshop...and it's quite known!

[Paul Jaray]

In 1 pic you should recognize in the background another etceterini...N.15 cames from the same workshop.

[Paul Jaray]

Looking at all those pics, in the background you can see:
Just a wheel in one pic
the front of another etceterini
the back of another etceterini
the back of the etceterini on the mirror
the side of a Fiat
the front of another etceterini
the front of another car
3 cars in a parking lot (an Alfa a Fiat and a Lancia)
a shelby mustang
the front of another etceterini

In all the other pics there can't be seen another car...now there are only 4 pics where you can see another etceterini and only 1 is quite easy and fitting these clues: "Not an obscure name. Not named after its builder. Later designs were quite distinctive...I'm sure 90% of you know this name... it's quite known"

I won't lock it.

[Iluvatar]

In all the other pics there can't be seen another car...now there are only 4 pics where you can see another etceterini and only 1 is quite easy and fitting these clues: "Not an obscure name. Not named after its builder. Later designs were quite distinctive...I'm sure 90% of you know this name... it's quite known"

... Ala d'Oro?? ... in the background of #9...

[Paul Jaray]

Yes....n.15 is an Ala d'Oro.
Which one? Open to all.

[Iluvatar]

Yes....n.15 is an Ala d'Oro.
Which one? Open to all.

I try with Fiat 750 Ala d'Oro...

[Paul Jaray]

Not 750...