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Offline Paul Jaray

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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2014, 03:47:09 AM »
Quote from: SACO on February 03, 2014, 05:23:53 PM
et3 :Ermini of Roberto Rosa ?
Quote from: SACO on February 03, 2014, 05:31:59 PM
et11 : Stanguellini sport 1948
et3: It is Ermini-engined, but I need a name. Not Rosa
et11: Not Stanguellini.
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2014, 07:35:04 AM »
I think it passed 24 hours since my last post: I think number 6 is something different from the others, It should be the Peugeot 202 based, Giai from France, I think about 1952.
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2014, 07:45:12 AM »
Quote from: targhediferro on February 04, 2014, 07:35:04 AM
I think it passed 24 hours since my last post: I think number 6 is something different from the others, It should be the Peugeot 202 based, Giai from France, I think about 1952.
Yes! I have it from 1949, but that's the car.
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2014, 10:43:18 AM »
Is the full name of et3 an Ermini 357 Sport, from 1955?
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2014, 10:49:27 AM »
Quote from: Carnut on February 04, 2014, 10:43:18 AM
Is the full name of et3 an Ermini 357 Sport, from 1955?
Nope.
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2014, 11:02:03 AM »
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 04, 2014, 10:49:27 AM
Quote from: Carnut on February 04, 2014, 10:43:18 AM
Is the full name of et3 an Ermini 357 Sport, from 1955?
Nope.

What about an Ermini Sport Competizione 1100 then (also from 1955)?
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2014, 11:05:06 AM »
Quote from: Carnut on February 04, 2014, 11:02:03 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 04, 2014, 10:49:27 AM
Quote from: Carnut on February 04, 2014, 10:43:18 AM
Is the full name of et3 an Ermini 357 Sport, from 1955?
Nope.

What about an Ermini Sport Competizione 1100 then (also from 1955)?
It's not what I'm looking for. There is a name missing, the name of the person who built it.
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2014, 12:00:02 PM »
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 04, 2014, 11:05:06 AM
Quote from: Carnut on February 04, 2014, 11:02:03 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 04, 2014, 10:49:27 AM
Quote from: Carnut on February 04, 2014, 10:43:18 AM
Is the full name of et3 an Ermini 357 Sport, from 1955?
Nope.

What about an Ermini Sport Competizione 1100 then (also from 1955)?
It's not what I'm looking for. There is a name missing, the name of the person who built it.

Morelli?
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2014, 12:25:53 PM »
Not Morelli.
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2014, 02:59:31 PM »
Scaglietti?
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2014, 04:30:33 PM »
Not a coachbuilder.
The engine was bought new from Ermini, the chassis was built by someone and the body by someone else.
I need the name of the person who commissioned those works.
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2014, 09:54:46 PM »
#11 : According to my source this car was built in 1948 by Remo Gattai, using a Fiat Topolino chassis and a Lancia Ardea engine with a reduced capacity of 750cc.
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2014, 02:18:47 AM »
#et11 : a Giaur  750 sport ?
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2014, 04:15:49 AM »
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 04, 2014, 04:30:33 PM
Not a coachbuilder.
The engine was bought new from Ermini, the chassis was built by someone and the body by someone else.
I need the name of the person who commissioned those works.

OK.  Gilco chassis?  Body commissioned by Frua?
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2014, 04:52:59 AM »
Quote from: SACO on February 05, 2014, 02:18:47 AM
#et11 : a Giaur  750 sport ?
Not Giaur.
Quote from: Joćo on February 04, 2014, 09:54:46 PM
#11 : According to my source this car was built in 1948 by Remo Gattai, using a Fiat Topolino chassis and a Lancia Ardea engine with a reduced capacity of 750cc.
Ok nearly there.
As I told Mekubb, I need to names: Remo Gattai is the key for both these names.
1 of this was Rondine (or better 'Garage Rondine'). What about the 2nd? Locked for mekubb and Joćo
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2014, 04:55:33 AM »
Quote from: Carnut on February 05, 2014, 04:15:49 AM
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 04, 2014, 04:30:33 PM
Not a coachbuilder.
The engine was bought new from Ermini, the chassis was built by someone and the body by someone else.
I need the name of the person who commissioned those works.

OK.  Gilco chassis?  Body commissioned by Frua?
The chassis' builder and the coachbuilder are unknown to my source.
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2014, 05:35:07 AM »
OK, understood.
I know the car is in the Mortari collection and is driven on events in Italy by Massimo Mortari and Luca de Sanctis, but since this car was built nearly 60 years ago there's unlikely to be a connection..  Unless it's been in the Mortari family since new?!
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2014, 09:16:18 AM »
Not Mortari.
It's funny how this car is quite known, it is present at all the major events but every time it's described as Ermini.
If you look at Ermini's new official website, you won't find it and the old one had a some of Ermini engined cars, but it wasn't there either.
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2014, 09:27:59 AM »
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 05, 2014, 09:16:18 AM
Not Mortari.
It's funny how this car is quite known, it is present at all the major events but every time it's described as Ermini.
If you look at Ermini's new official website, you won't find it and the old one had a some of Ermini engined cars, but it wasn't there either.

It is pictured on 3 or 4 sites I've found, but none of them mention who commissioned it..
Still looking but so far have drawn a blank.
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2014, 10:46:53 AM »
Quote from: Paul Jaray on February 05, 2014, 09:16:18 AM
Not Mortari.
It's funny how this car is quite known, it is present at all the major events but every time it's described as Ermini.
If you look at Ermini's new official website, you won't find it and the old one had a some of Ermini engined cars, but it wasn't there either.

Was the person who commissioned it Italian?
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2014, 10:57:35 AM »
Yes.
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2014, 11:22:36 AM »
Marzotto?
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2014, 12:53:10 PM »
Not him.
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2014, 02:46:38 PM »
Number 18 should be a Fiat 1100 Nardi; I hope you are not after something more, because I haven't found anything more.
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Re: PJ - 589 - Etceterini Madness #2
« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2014, 03:56:22 PM »
Quote from: targhediferro on February 05, 2014, 02:46:38 PM
Number 18 should be a Fiat 1100 Nardi; I hope you are not after something more, because I haven't found anything more.
Not Nardi.
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