Author Topic: Solved NIC#330 - BMW 315/1 by Ludwig Weinberger (Read 1475 times)

nicanary · « **on:** December 07, 2014, 03:51:35 PM »

Rookies - a nice easy one.

nicanary · « **Reply #1 on:** December 21, 2014, 12:58:16 PM »

Experts?

Majeko · « **Reply #2 on:** December 21, 2014, 01:48:03 PM »

Riley?

nicanary · « **Reply #3 on:** December 21, 2014, 02:31:19 PM »

Quote from: Majeko on December 21, 2014, 01:48:03 PM

Riley?

Not a Riley.

Majeko · « **Reply #4 on:** December 21, 2014, 04:28:23 PM »

nicanary · « **Reply #5 on:** December 21, 2014, 04:40:07 PM »

Quote from: Majeko on December 21, 2014, 04:28:23 PM

MG?

Not an MG.

Majeko · « **Reply #6 on:** December 28, 2014, 02:48:00 PM »

Invicta?

nicanary · « **Reply #7 on:** December 28, 2014, 03:38:21 PM »

Quote from: Majeko on December 28, 2014, 02:48:00 PM

Invicta?

Not an Invicta

nicanary · « **Reply #8 on:** January 17, 2015, 06:54:31 AM »

I really, really don't want to put this one in the Pros.

Clue time. It's British, but only by name. And it would normally be found with perforated disc wheels.

Majeko · « **Reply #9 on:** January 26, 2015, 03:15:42 PM »

Lea Francis?

nicanary · « **Reply #10 on:** January 26, 2015, 06:57:05 PM »

Quote from: Majeko on January 26, 2015, 03:15:42 PM

Lea Francis?

No. Part of the marque name is British and part of it is a well-known name from another country.

Majeko · « **Reply #11 on:** January 27, 2015, 04:30:47 AM »

Sunbeam Talbot?

nicanary · « **Reply #12 on:** January 27, 2015, 05:25:49 AM »

Quote from: Majeko on January 27, 2015, 04:30:47 AM

Sunbeam Talbot?

Not that.

Majeko · « **Reply #13 on:** January 27, 2015, 06:39:49 AM »

British Salmson

nicanary · « **Reply #14 on:** January 27, 2015, 07:00:32 AM »

Quote from: Majeko on January 27, 2015, 06:39:49 AM

British Salmson

Not that either.

Majeko · « **Reply #15 on:** January 27, 2015, 07:20:41 AM »

Frazer Nash?

nicanary · « **Reply #16 on:** January 27, 2015, 07:27:12 AM »

Quote from: Majeko on January 27, 2015, 07:20:41 AM

Frazer Nash?

Yes! LOCKED for you to give me the exact marque name and the model.

Majeko · « **Reply #17 on:** January 27, 2015, 10:34:30 AM »

Frazer-Nash Ulster?

nicanary · « **Reply #18 on:** January 27, 2015, 11:11:31 AM »

Quote from: Majeko on January 27, 2015, 10:34:30 AM

Frazer-Nash Ulster?

No. This car was sold as a Frazer Nash XXX but the second part of the name is another marque from another country. Frazer Nash did not actually build the car, although they may have been involved in arranging for the coachbuilding.

Still locked for you.

Majeko · « **Reply #19 on:** January 27, 2015, 11:51:06 AM »

Frazer Nash BMW 315?

nicanary · « **Reply #20 on:** January 27, 2015, 07:03:56 PM »

Quote from: Majeko on January 27, 2015, 11:51:06 AM

Frazer Nash BMW 315?

Yes, that's exactly correct, even down to the lack of hyphen.

Frazer Nash were the importers of BMW cars to the UK, and renamed them in order to make them sound more British. I selected a side image of the car so that nobody could see the obvious BMW grille.

Bill Murray · « **Reply #21 on:** January 27, 2015, 07:48:54 PM »

Not to take away from Majeko's answer, but the correct designation is Frazer-Nash BMW 315/1, some few examples built from 1934-1937. Multiple sources do not give a body maker so I assume it was bodied from the factory by BMW.

Edit: Different sources give the name as Frazer Nash and Frazer-Nash so my use of the hyphen may be incorrect but the model number is right as far as I can find.

Bill

Wendax · « **Reply #22 on:** January 28, 2015, 02:49:04 AM »

To make it all worse: I think that the answer is wrong!

It is not a Frazer Nash BMW 315 or 315/1 with or without any hyphen, despite its British looking coachwork. It is a German BMW 315/1 with a four-seater bodywork by Ludwig Weinberger from Munich. You can find a clearer picture for example in Schrader's book about German coachbuilders. There you can see that the wheelhubs just say BMW, not Frazer Nash BMW. Having a closer look at the picture you will find the rear view mirror on the left hand side spare wheel, which makes it most probably a LHD car. I agree with Bill that it is a 315/1, recognizable by the hood louvers different from the 315, the slanted grille etc.

nicanary · « **Reply #23 on:** January 28, 2015, 05:21:22 AM »

Well, the only thing I got correct was the lack of hyphen in the maker's name! As Bill says, the internet will give all sorts of answers, but in the UK we are convinced there was no hyphen, and Georgano backs this up.

Apart from that, I was wrong on all counts. I believed the source of my puzzle, without checking its veracity. It's not the first time, and probably won't be the last. It shows how desperate some of us get when we're looking for new puzzles!

I'm sure that Wendax is correct, and have amended the puzzle title accordingly.

PS Sorry majeko. You keep your point, no problems. I was unintentionally misleading you as you attempted to solve the puzzle.

Majeko · « **Reply #24 on:** January 28, 2015, 05:46:41 AM »

Quote from: nicanary on January 28, 2015, 05:21:22 AM

Well, the only thing I got correct was the lack of hyphen in the maker's name! As Bill says, the internet will give all sorts of answers, but in the UK we are convinced there was no hyphen, and Georgano backs this up.

Apart from that, I was wrong on all counts. I believed the source of my puzzle, without checking its veracity. It's not the first time, and probably won't be the last. It shows how desperate some of us get when we're looking for new puzzles!

I'm sure that Wendax is correct, and have amended the puzzle title accordingly.

PS Sorry majeko. You keep your point, no problems. I was unintentionally misleading you as you attempted to solve the puzzle.

No problem. You wanted the answer you tought was correct. I now know why I couldn't find the car, was looking for something that wasn't there. On the bright side: I brushed up my knowledge on Frazer Nash

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Author Topic: Solved NIC#330 - BMW 315/1 by Ludwig Weinberger (Read 1475 times)