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Solved - NEH 4218: Motto bodied Packard - 1954
« on: August 12, 2015, 07:44:53 AM »
What's this and who built it, for 1 point?:

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Re: NEH 4218
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2015, 06:10:11 AM »
Experts?
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Re: NEH 4218
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2015, 09:06:01 AM »
Italian and based on a Packard?
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Re: NEH 4218
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2015, 11:19:33 AM »
Quote from: richard cuyler on August 26, 2015, 09:06:01 AM
Italian and based on a Packard?

Yes and Yes!
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Re: NEH 4218
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2015, 05:34:39 AM »
Quote from: Carnut on August 26, 2015, 11:19:33 AM
Quote from: richard cuyler on August 26, 2015, 09:06:01 AM
Italian and based on a Packard?

Yes and Yes!
Locked for you to complete..

Any luck Richard?
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Re: NEH 4218
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2015, 09:10:43 AM »
Still trying, Carnut. The info I have so far been able to obtain suggests that Italy was the one European country where no Packard special coachwork was ever done.  This is a very restrained design and those Alvis-like rear wings suggest Graber (Switzerland, of course), but they only did earlier Packards. Is this a 1951 car?
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Re: NEH 4218
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2015, 11:57:39 AM »
Quote from: richard cuyler on September 03, 2015, 09:10:43 AM
Still trying, Carnut. The info I have so far been able to obtain suggests that Italy was the one European country where no Packard special coachwork was ever done.  This is a very restrained design and those Alvis-like rear wings suggest Graber (Switzerland, of course), but they only did earlier Packards. Is this a 1951 car?

Not Graber of course; wrong country!
Later than 1951.
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Re: NEH 4218
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2015, 07:10:30 AM »
Is this locked or open ? :)
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Re: NEH 4218
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2015, 07:49:02 AM »
Quote from: 72Must on September 04, 2015, 07:10:30 AM
Is this locked or open ? :)

It's still locked, but if Richard doesn't get it with his next reply I'll open it up again.
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Re: NEH 4218
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2015, 08:41:33 AM »
If it's not a Rocco Motto car from about 1952/3, please open this up again. Thanks, Carnut.
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Re: NEH 4218
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2015, 07:28:36 PM »
Quote from: richard cuyler on September 04, 2015, 08:41:33 AM
If it's not a Rocco Motto car from about 1952/3, please open this up again. Thanks, Carnut.

Yes indeed, it was built by Motto, but in 1954.
Well done.
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Re: Solved - NEH 4218: Motto bodied Packard - 1954
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2015, 10:13:20 AM »
Is the puzzle car, Jean Trevoux's car which was built for La Carrera Panamericana?
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Re: Solved - NEH 4218: Motto bodied Packard - 1954
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2015, 10:21:36 AM »
Quote from: sixtee5cuda on September 05, 2015, 10:13:20 AM
Is the puzzle car, Jean Trevoux's car which was built for La Carrera Panamericana?

I don't think so; the Panamericana cars were slightly earlier, and their success led to this road car, I believe.
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Re: Solved - NEH 4218: Motto bodied Packard - 1954
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2015, 04:41:07 PM »
I haven't seen anything in print, indicating that more than one Motto Packard was built (Panamericana or otherwise). 

Trevoux raced a standard Packard in 1952.  He raced The Motto Packard in 1953 and 1954.
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Re: Solved - NEH 4218: Motto bodied Packard - 1954
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2015, 02:23:41 PM »
Quote from: sixtee5cuda on September 05, 2015, 04:41:07 PM
I haven't seen anything in print, indicating that more than one Motto Packard was built (Panamericana or otherwise). 

Trevoux raced a standard Packard in 1952.  He raced The Motto Packard in 1953 and 1954.

I was confused, but I saw pictures of a car that clearly wasn't this one, participating in the Carrera Panamericana.  But maybe it wasn't by Rocco as I thought.  Some respected sites describe the Motto car as from 1954, but if it was raced in 1953 then that would appear to be wrong..

Here's a picture of the Trevoux car; is it the same car as the puzzle car?  Perhaps it went back to Motto in 1954 to be rebuilt?
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Re: Solved - NEH 4218: Motto bodied Packard - 1954
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2015, 09:58:16 AM »
I think it's the same car. Windscreen and wipers look the same and the general body shape and trim look very similar. What I don't know is if it was a touring car first and then modified for racing or viceversa.
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Re: Solved - NEH 4218: Motto bodied Packard - 1954
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2015, 10:36:32 AM »
Here's the picture before I modified it, with all the trim etc that's missing on the competition car.  So it's before or after - that's the $64000 question!
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Re: Solved - NEH 4218: Motto bodied Packard - 1954
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2015, 11:52:10 AM »
They seem to be the same car.  But it is sad to think the car was that beautiful when it left Italy, only to be stripped down for racing use.
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