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Solved - NEH 4148: Panther V8 with Daimler SP250 engine
« on: June 23, 2015, 07:37:02 AM »
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Re: NEH 4148
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2015, 06:03:17 AM »
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Re: NEH 4148
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2015, 06:21:04 AM »
It definitely bears resemblance with a TR3...

Is it a replica?
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Re: NEH 4148
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2015, 06:31:15 AM »
Quote from: AlexFrance on July 07, 2015, 06:21:04 AM
It definitely bears resemblance with a TR3...

Is it a replica?

It's nothing to do with Triumph at all.
The styling might well have been influenced by the TR3 but it's not meant to be a replica at all.
Here's a picture of the rear from which you will see the resemblance doesn't extend that far back!:

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Re: NEH 4148
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2015, 09:51:26 AM »
Cortina taillights, left-hand-drive, side exhaust and a TR3-inspired body: that's really puzzling  :)

The body feels well-made, probably not home-made, so is it a US kit car?
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Re: NEH 4148
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2015, 11:02:12 AM »
Quote from: AlexFrance on July 07, 2015, 09:51:26 AM
Cortina taillights, left-hand-drive, side exhaust and a TR3-inspired body: that's really puzzling  :)

The body feels well-made, probably not home-made, so is it a US kit car?

Indeed the basis is!
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Re: NEH 4148
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2015, 04:51:28 PM »
Is it based on a British car?
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Re: NEH 4148
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2015, 06:57:47 PM »
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Re: NEH 4148
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2015, 06:02:32 AM »
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Re: NEH 4148
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2015, 08:50:07 AM »
Based on an American kit car from the eighties ?
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Re: NEH 4148
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2015, 09:48:28 AM »
Quote from: oko94 on August 04, 2015, 08:50:07 AM
Based on an American kit car from the eighties ?

Have a look at Reply #5; not from the 80s.
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Re: NEH 4148
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2015, 10:54:31 AM »
Reading the posts so far, I'm assuming that this is a homebuilt body on an American kit-car chassis.

Any Devin connection?
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Re: NEH 4148
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2015, 11:35:22 AM »
Were the kit-car basis and this very car built in the same decade ?
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Re: NEH 4148
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2015, 12:09:51 PM »
Quote from: nicanary on August 04, 2015, 10:54:31 AM
Reading the posts so far, I'm assuming that this is a homebuilt body on an American kit-car chassis.

Any Devin connection?

There does seem to be a Devin connection, but it's not 100% sure!

Quote from: oko94 on August 04, 2015, 11:35:22 AM
Were the kit-car basis and this very car built in the same decade ?

I don't know; I know when the base car would date from but I don't when this body was fitted so can't answer that I'm afraid.
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Re: NEH 4148
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2015, 01:38:51 PM »
I've found some photos of it in a forum, the car has a "Panther V8 2.5 litre" badge on its grille, the chassis and engine are Daimler SP250.

Quote from the forum : "I think there was an American company called Panther... but I thought they used Devin fiberglass bodies.". So here's the Devin connection.
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Re: NEH 4148
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2015, 02:03:30 PM »
Other pictures
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Re: NEH 4148
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2015, 02:03:50 PM »
You certainly do have the knack of finding the right website..
I really wasn't expecting this one to be solved the very day I moved it..
I wish I could find just a fraction of the ones you do!
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Re: Solved - NEH 4148: Panther V8 with Daimler SP250 engine
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2015, 02:05:23 PM »
Well, I just looked for "devin triumph tr3" and there it was !
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Re: Solved - NEH 4148: Panther V8 with Daimler SP250 engine
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2015, 02:06:34 PM »
Quote from: oko94 on August 04, 2015, 02:05:23 PM
Well, I just looked for "devin triumph tr3" and there it was !

I know it's all a matter of keywords, it's just I never seem to key the right ones in!
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Re: NEH 4148
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2015, 02:08:42 PM »
Quote from: Carnut on August 04, 2015, 02:03:50 PM
I really wasn't expecting this one to be solved the very day I moved it..

Are we pros or are we not ? ;D

To be honest, without nicanary's Devin intuition I would have never solved it.
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Re: Solved - NEH 4148: Panther V8 with Daimler SP250 engine
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2015, 04:35:03 AM »
I was in a bit of doubt whether to say there was a Devin involvement, as I know once you give a positive answer like that then the puzzle is over.
Of course, if there was a definite Devin involvement then there is no alternative, but in this case there is no actual proof.

The badge says Panther 2.5 V8 and the engine is a Daimler 2.5 V8. The Panther connection is that there was going to be a Panther kit car with a Daimler 2.5 V8 in a Devin body produced by a company in New York State (picture below) but no connection between that Panther and the puzzle car had actually been definitely established.  Someone has put a lot of work into building the car, but maybe it's just a home-build with no real connection to any Panther but he found a badge that looked good?  But where would that Panther badge come from?  I believe only one of the Devin-bodied Panther 2.5s was ever built, so there's hardly going to be a stock of Panther badges at your local spares shop is there?!

We'll have to see if any more information about this car comes to light.
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Re: Solved - NEH 4148: Panther V8 with Daimler SP250 engine
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2015, 05:28:02 AM »
It looks an awful lot like a 1950s Jaguar badge.
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Re: Solved - NEH 4148: Panther V8 with Daimler SP250 engine
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2015, 04:57:30 AM »
Another reference to the Devin-Panther:

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Re: Solved - NEH 4148: Panther V8 with Daimler SP250 engine
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2015, 06:04:51 AM »
On the site where oko94 found the answer it says about this car:

1) That the serial tag calls it a "BBG Custom"

2) Here is what a poster has written:

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The Car is all steel, rear body panel, front end, doors, hood, trunk, checked all with a Magnet
I believe the body is a real TR3 Modified
the rear body panel looks like a TVR 400
the car is sitting on a Daimler SP250 Frame and the Daimler SP250 v8 Engine
I am now looking for Information on who built the car
if anyone knows any history please let us know
the car came out of New York
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I don't know if that get us any further towards finding out who built this car!
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