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Solved - NEH 4139: Fiat-Abarth 1000 Spider Tubolare - 1961
« on: June 18, 2015, 07:28:40 AM »
What's this car, for 1 point?:

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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2015, 05:33:12 AM »
Experts?
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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2015, 10:00:20 AM »
Porsche based?

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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2015, 10:38:07 AM »
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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2015, 06:11:10 PM »
Is it based on a German car?

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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2015, 06:34:52 PM »
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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2015, 06:09:42 PM »
Is it made on a European car?

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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2015, 06:56:29 PM »
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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2015, 12:20:09 PM »
French?

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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2015, 04:40:03 AM »
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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2015, 06:25:54 PM »
Italian?

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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2015, 04:15:35 AM »
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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2015, 05:44:25 AM »
Any connection with Fiat and/or Abarth?

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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2015, 06:08:36 AM »
Any connection with Fiat and/or Abarth?

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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2015, 07:17:14 AM »
Is it of the Fiat Abarth 1000 family?

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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2015, 07:20:43 AM »
Is it of the Fiat Abarth 1000 family?

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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2015, 04:38:26 PM »
Please unlock as I wasn't able to find that car.

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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2015, 05:27:59 PM »
Actually, I think I just found some new info on that car.

Apparently it's a Simca Abarth 1450 Spider Sport from 1962. It raced in the 1000 kilometers of Paris on the Monthléry racetrack.

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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2015, 05:04:18 AM »
Actually, I think I just found some new info on that car.

Apparently it's a Simca Abarth 1450 Spider Sport from 1962. It raced in the 1000 kilometers of Paris on the Monthléry racetrack.

That's actually a bit different from what I have it as, though I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong!  It's the usual Internet confusion so I'll have to check out the right answer and come back!
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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2015, 06:49:45 AM »
I've looked into this and I've found several Simca Abarth pictures with similar (and different...) descriptions to what you have said.
But I've also found quite a few with the car as what I have it as.
I can only conclude that they used very similar bodywork for both Fiat and Simca Abarths of the period; as yet I'm not convinced which car my puzzle photo is of, although it was For Sale at a well-known and respected classic car dealer, which is where I got the picture and description from.  I wouldn't expect them to be describing it as the wrong car..

I'll have to check in my Abarth books when I'm home this evening but in the meantime this is locked for you; maybe you can come up with the description I have too, then you've covered all the angles?

I'm fairly sure it's a Fiat Abarth rather than a Simca Abarth but let's see if I can resolve it tonight.

Here's an Abarth Simca 1300, though it might have a 1450 cc engine..:
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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2015, 06:52:21 AM »
Actually, I think I just found some new info on that car.

Apparently it's a Simca Abarth 1450 Spider Sport from 1962. It raced in the 1000 kilometers of Paris on the Monthléry racetrack.

That's actually a bit different from what I have it as, though I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong!  It's the usual Internet confusion so I'll have to check out the right answer and come back!

I PMed you a link to an article online.

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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2015, 07:04:14 PM »
I've checked further into this.
It's not an Abarth Simca but it is a Fiat Abarth.
Locked for you to dig into further.
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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2015, 04:24:26 AM »
I've checked further into this.
It's not an Abarth Simca but it is a Fiat Abarth.
Locked for you to dig into further.

Any luck Alex?
Shall I open this up again?
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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2015, 05:09:23 AM »
Open to all again.
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Re: NEH 4139
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2015, 11:49:05 AM »
Is it the Abarth 1000 SP that ran at 1969 Le Mans 24 hours?