Author Topic: BD82 Steyr Allard (1947) (Read 595 times)

BERTRAND · « **on:** February 09, 2015, 03:21:36 AM »

One more racing car, what is it and when?

Allan L · « **Reply #1 on:** February 10, 2015, 04:44:43 AM »

I was sure we'd had this one before, but as I can't find it I must have been wrong.

Willie McCrum · « **Reply #2 on:** February 10, 2015, 05:46:02 AM »

Steyr Allard (Allard-Steyr ?) 1950

BERTRAND · « **Reply #3 on:** February 10, 2015, 06:24:59 AM »

Welcome to Auto Puzzle. Can you be more complet, please.
Allard Steyr .............? and that's not 1950
Puzzle Locked for you

Willie McCrum · « **Reply #4 on:** February 11, 2015, 08:14:36 AM »

Guessing now and will go back a little....1949

BERTRAND · « **Reply #5 on:** February 11, 2015, 09:20:41 AM »

Not 1949....Locked still until tonight (EUropean hour), or one try, and what's the model name?

Willie McCrum · « **Reply #6 on:** February 11, 2015, 10:28:18 AM »

OK....Final try - and still guessing....1947 ? Although with my luck it will turn out to be '48 !
Regarding model number....I'm not even going to try guessing that !

BERTRAND · « **Reply #7 on:** February 11, 2015, 11:21:57 AM »

1947, OK. Still locked for you until tonight for the model name
You did the most difficult.

Willie McCrum · « **Reply #8 on:** February 11, 2015, 11:41:05 AM »

No.....On the basis that it would be too simple if it were to have been called J1 I guess I'll have to concede !

BERTRAND · « **Reply #9 on:** February 11, 2015, 02:37:06 PM »

Unlocked

BERTRAND · « **Reply #10 on:** February 18, 2015, 04:45:35 AM »

Expert, just find the model now

BERTRAND · « **Reply #11 on:** February 26, 2015, 03:01:25 AM »

Pros, just find the model, now

Wendax · « **Reply #12 on:** February 26, 2015, 03:04:13 AM »

This was Sydney Allard's personal car, based on a J1.

From the auction description:

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This is Sydney Allard's personal, unique and famous one-off car, the 1947 Steyr-Allard, and is the most well-known of all of the Allard vehicles. Built in 1947, Sydney Allard competed in the British Hill Climb Championship with this car for 5 years finishing 3rd in 1947, 3rd in 1948, 1st in 1949, 2nd in 1950 and 3rd in 1951. The car held records at various hill climb courses and sprint events that it competed in. After being sold in 1952, the car continued to successfully compete in numerous events until the early 1960's before being acquired by the current owner in 1994 and then fully restored to active competition levels in 2001. This car has been fully documented in hundreds of books and magazine articles over the years. The car was built using a set of altered production Allard J1 chassis rails fitted with tube and channel cross-members. The front suspension was the standard Allard Bellamy split axle but with the radius rods behind the axle and pivoting in line with the front axle pivot points. Initially, a standard Allard rear axle was used mounted on coil springs and standard Allard 12" brakes were fitted all round. An alloy body was fabricated by Woodward of Putney together with a shortened Allard K1 radiator grille. As the choice of engines in the late 1940's was limited, Sydney decided to use a lightweight air-cooled V8 engine. This unique engine was an Austrian air-cooled Steyr V8 that was used in WWII armored cars and as stationary engines. To convert it for competition use, the Allard team removed the cooling fan and cowlings, the cast iron barrels were replaced with alloy versions, the compression ratio was increased to 12:1 to run on methanol, a Scintilla Vertex magneto replaced the distributor and 8 motor cycle carburetors were fitted. In this guise, the engine developed 150 bhp at 4,000rpm and the finished car weighed about 1,600 lbs. The car was first run at the Prescott hill climb on May 11, 1947, and established fastest time of the day and a new record for un-Supercharged cars. In 1994, the car was fully dismantled and a long, 6-year restoration process was completed. The original chassis was straightened and repaired. The alloy body was restored and a new grille formed. All of the suspension components, differential, brakes, steering box, shock absorbers and steering components were reconditioned. New exhaust headers and pipes were made and coated. The magneto was reconditioned and a new crankshaft, connecting rods and pistons were made. The car was restored to its 1949 Hill Climb championship winning configuration. The restoration was completed in August 2001 and since then it has regularly competed at numerous hill climb events. This famous car, complete with documentation, spares and a unique "Allard" battery cart, is fully maintained and competition-ready.

BERTRAND · « **Reply #13 on:** February 26, 2015, 03:17:40 AM »

You are very close.
Allard Steyr Sydney ........ ? Can you complete the model please. I know lot of sources writte just "Allard Steyr", but it's not enough for me. Locked for you for one try.

Allan L · « **Reply #14 on:** February 26, 2015, 04:23:46 AM »

I know it's locked, but I feel I must comment on what's been stated:
As ever, too much reliance should not be placed on auctioneers' descriptions but they were right that it was the Steyr-Allard and not the Allard-Steyr (see Motor Sport, August 1947 pp231-2.
A simple error is that the name was Ballamy, not Bellamy, but the more complex error is that Ballamy and Allard front suspensions are not the same. I can quote from another place where a man who has both a Ballamy Ford and an Allard wrote:
The Ballamy version has the axle pivots parallel. It then uses the old Ford A-bracket (which runs from the spring perches back to the ball under the gearbox) but cut in two, turned around facing forwards and each half mounting to a pivot, in line with those on the axle, on a v-shaped carrier below the front extension of the chassis. These act as radius rods.
The Allard version saved money by having the radius arms facing backwards to pivot on Ford balls on each side of the chassis, ie under the steering box. But this means the axle pivots are angled so as to line up with the pivot of the radius arm.

Wendax · « **Reply #15 on:** February 26, 2015, 05:08:26 AM »

I really don't know what you are looking for. I found some additional names which I don't think to be authentic like Special, Racer, Prescott, V8 or Sprint Car. I'd agree with Allan that it is just the Steyr-Allard. If so, the point belongs to Willie McCrum. If not, I am surprised to see what you have in mind. Please unlock.

nicanary · « **Reply #16 on:** February 26, 2015, 06:05:25 AM »

Quote from: Wendax on February 26, 2015, 05:08:26 AM

I really don't know what you are looking for. I found some additional names which I don't think to be authentic like Special, Racer, Prescott, V8 or Sprint Car. I'd agree with Allan that it is just the Steyr-Allard. If so, the point belongs to Willie McCrum. If not, I am surprised to see what you have in mind. Please unlock.

I agree. I've never known it to be referred to as anything other than the Steyr-Allard.

PS You're not looking for the word "Hillclimber" are you?

BERTRAND · « **Reply #17 on:** February 26, 2015, 08:35:35 AM »

I just waited for the word "special". Allard Steyr Sydney Special (1947).
I found a photo of this automobile in a car magazine dating the 50s just with as legend "Allard Steyr Sydney Special" - on 1947 ".
I verified on the net to know more about this automobile. As says Wendax, I found all the names possible, of which that of the photo that I had to find. Whether it is Allard Steyr or Steyr Allard, it is similar for me and I accept both. Wendax especially gave me in complement Sydney and Special, while Willie McCrum just gave me Allard Steyr. I consider that the answer of Willie McCrum was incomplete. I give the point to Wendax. Now if somebody judges that I am wrong completely, I am opened to any debate.

BERTRAND · « **Reply #18 on:** February 26, 2015, 08:41:52 AM »

If you consider that I have forgery and that the point returns to Willie McCrum, no problem for me and I backtracks

Allan L · « **Reply #19 on:** February 26, 2015, 09:22:23 AM »

Quote from: BERTRAND on February 26, 2015, 08:35:35 AM

I found a photo of this automobile in a car magazine dating the 50s just with as legend "Allard Steyr Sydney Special" - on 1947 ".

Was it an English language magazine?

I'm not trying to prolong this but at the time it was The Steyr-Allard to all of us. As Sydney Allard and his workshop built it, they would never have called it "Sydney" and as I said it was written up in the August 1947 issue of Motor Sport as the Steyr-Allard.
At some time in the 1950s my late friend Chris Tooley owned it and competed in it. He told me it still had the four-wheel-drive system that Allard later fitted it with, which was electrically controlled and rather dangerously unpredictable so he took it off. He certainly called it The Steyr-Allard.

Wendax · « **Reply #20 on:** February 26, 2015, 09:46:13 AM »

I think Willie McCrum deserves the point more than I do.

Willie McCrum · « **Reply #21 on:** February 26, 2015, 09:58:20 AM »

Please chaps...Don't get all hot and bothered over it. I'm only doing this for fun - and to improve and enhance my (fading) memories !

BERTRAND · « **Reply #22 on:** February 26, 2015, 10:51:36 AM »

ok, I backtrack. Point for Willie McCrum.
AllanL, it's a magasine with french text.

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Author Topic: BD82 Steyr Allard (1947) (Read 595 times)