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What is this?
1 point for you!

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Re: PJ - 645
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2015, 12:26:42 PM »
Alfa Romeo base?

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Re: PJ - 645
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2015, 12:56:47 PM »
Not Alfa Romeo.

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Re: PJ - 645
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2015, 01:54:23 PM »
Italian car?

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Re: PJ - 645
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2015, 04:00:20 AM »
Not Italian.

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Re: PJ - 645
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2015, 04:30:51 AM »
Is it supposed to be replica of some kind?

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Re: PJ - 645
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2015, 05:27:39 AM »
Nope.

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Re: PJ - 645
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2015, 09:48:55 AM »
From Germany?

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Re: PJ - 645
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2015, 09:49:45 AM »
Not from there.

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Re: PJ - 645
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2015, 05:27:37 PM »
This car is build in The Netherlands, at the technical school in Zaandam as a project to show how a car is made.
The car is made by students in a seperate room of the school, most of the time after school hours.

The car is build in 1970-1972 and know to be driven once in 1974. After 1974 the car vanished. It is based on a Ford Anglia.


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Re: PJ - 645
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2015, 09:46:16 AM »
Yes! This puzzle was virtually impossible to solve...the owner himself doesn't know much about it and if you saw that car at Padova last year (where I took this pic) you probably have seen the papers: in those pages there are just the emails I sent them long ago with the story of the car I've been able to re-built thanks to matramurena, who actually found out the background of it and was able to contact some of the builders too.
The story is not yet completely discovered and details are coming from time to time, but the car was built at the technical school in Zaandam and if you noticed some similarities with the Havas the reason is that Age Lammertsma, who was an automotive teacher on the Lower Technical School in Zaandam,  was also the owner of the Havas at the same time this special was being built. They most likely took it as an example.

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Re: Solved -PJ645- Ford Special built by Zaandam's technical school students
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2015, 09:52:51 AM »
Here's a pic of the car in the 90s when it was racing for an Italian scuderia.

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Re: Solved -PJ645- Ford Special built by Zaandam's technical school students
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2015, 11:03:55 AM »
Mr. Jaray, maybe you have other pictures of this car (from Auto d'Epoca)?
I found only one photo -
« Last Edit: January 23, 2015, 11:16:12 AM by dzima1985 »

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Re: Solved -PJ645- Ford Special built by Zaandam's technical school students
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2015, 05:02:17 PM »
I've got plenty!
Here you are some:

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Re: Solved -PJ645- Ford Special built by Zaandam's technical school students
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2015, 08:07:39 AM »
 :thumbsup: thank you!

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Re: Solved -PJ645- Ford Special built by Zaandam's technical school students
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2015, 02:43:58 PM »
It's the same car than SAC#599 ( Simca gordini ) and MJW#1061 ( Havas ) ?

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Re: Solved -PJ645- Ford Special built by Zaandam's technical school students
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2015, 03:17:39 PM »
No, it is not an Havas. They used the Havas as a model. Van As only build one Simca powered car. Also the puzzles you mentioned are both the same car as mine. Which is indeed the same as the picture you attached. (In fact the "Gordini" (Which isnt a Gordini at all!) is a repost of the first one)

The car used in this puzzle is made in end 60's and begin 70's at the technical school in Zaandam.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2015, 03:58:00 PM by matramurena »

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Re: Solved -PJ645- Ford Special built by Zaandam's technical school students
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2015, 05:03:48 PM »
I saw it at Padova last autumn, too and I made a rather bad photo of its description.

Evene after having use many filters and after some more photoshopping this is the best I can show:

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Re: Solved -PJ645- Ford Special built by Zaandam's technical school students
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2015, 05:15:05 PM »
That is a copy/paste of the email I sent them long ago.
In that email the story was still incomplete and the underlined part is actually the translation of the passage about Havas taken from Autodesign in Nederland. Then I added few info Matramurena gave me.
In the last 3 lines of your pic, I was explaining the new facts we discovered.

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Re: Solved -PJ645- Ford Special built by Zaandam's technical school students
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2015, 05:20:15 PM »
 ;D

Then I was obviously not able to contribute any news  ;)

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Re: Solved -PJ645- Ford Special built by Zaandam's technical school students
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2015, 05:27:24 PM »
I'm reading again that pic...they cut and paste my email in few but significant passages:

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Re: Solved -PJ645- Ford Special built by Zaandam's technical school students
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2015, 05:29:47 PM »
That is a screenshot of the original mail sent to the owner of that barchetta.
The missing passage says:
"Keep note that this is, even if sustained by tangible elements, just a theory"