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Solved TGF-285: Fiat 238 by Frappa
« on: November 18, 2013, 09:40:48 AM »
You can ask me what you want about the base car  ;), but I won't tell you nothing (or almost nothing) about the coachbuilder.  Tell me both of them and you'll have a point.
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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2013, 10:45:07 AM »
The curtains suggest a mobile brothel.  ;) :D

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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2013, 04:08:22 PM »
Italian coachbuilder?
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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2013, 04:13:04 PM »
I won't tell you nothing (or almost nothing) about the coachbuilder.

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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2013, 03:37:59 PM »
Base is a Fiat 238. To begin with guesses on the coachbuilder, is it made by Introzzi?

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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2013, 07:01:03 PM »
Not Introzzi and a little clue...the coachbuilder is not the first one you think  wearing a Fiat 238.

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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2013, 07:23:28 PM »
Martin Walters?
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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2013, 04:32:54 AM »
Maybe linked to Weinsberg Fiat 238 Caravan?
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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2013, 06:03:48 AM »
Martin Walters?
No.
Maybe linked to Weinsberg Fiat 238 Caravan?
No connection with Weinsberg, nor with caravan at all.

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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2013, 10:21:07 AM »
Funeral?

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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2013, 12:12:48 PM »

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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2013, 01:50:49 PM »
One of the few I've seen making four-door hearses in the 60s is Riva... but I never saw a 238 by them.

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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2013, 02:49:42 PM »
Not by Riva; I don't actually know if this vehicle may be considered a hearse, or if it was built for morgue use.

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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2013, 06:21:32 PM »
Pros time.

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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2013, 05:30:31 PM »
Grazia?
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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2013, 06:16:59 PM »
Not Grazia.

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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2013, 06:20:20 PM »
but Italian?
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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2013, 06:23:25 PM »
not Italian.

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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2013, 05:13:17 AM »
mmm... AMI from Germany?
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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2013, 05:55:07 AM »
Not AMI.

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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2013, 09:57:25 PM »
Sorry, I am having a Bad New Years Evening.

I believe the coach builder is Frappa of France but I lost my connection, where it also had a rear view of the body but I cannot remember where I found it and I did not save the photos.

I will continue to look, but that is my answer.

Happy New Year!!!

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Re: TGF-285
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2014, 03:40:42 AM »
Happy new year to you Bill!   It seems to be a good beginning for you, because your answer is absolutely correct. Since half seventies Frappa converted its production into refrigerating vans, and so realized some special hearse for obituary and morgues. The quiz vehicle is one of these. A well deserved point for an hard nut. ;D

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Re: Solved TGF-285: Fiat 238 by Frappa
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2014, 07:42:53 AM »
Thank you Fabrizio!!

And, yes, the place I found the photos was on a French truck history site and there was a chapter dealing with refrigerator trucks and there were these two photos of a "morgue car" built by Frappa.

If I ever find the other photo I will post it here.

Bill
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Re: Solved TGF-285: Fiat 238 by Frappa
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2014, 06:26:49 PM »
great job Bill: I've found now that website where I see some more pictures (I don't like "morgue vehicles"....):


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