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Swiss Packard, built in Switzerland by Werner Risch, 1935
« on: October 03, 2014, 09:56:58 AM »
Who knows this car?
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Re: grob 2014.10.03 (02)
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2014, 12:46:45 PM »
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Re: grob 2014.10.03 (02)
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2014, 04:06:10 PM »
German?

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Re: grob 2014.10.03 (02)
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2014, 04:21:18 PM »
No, but close... well, only concerning the bodywork.

To help:

the chassis is US-American.

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Re: grob 2014.10.03 (02)
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2014, 04:09:15 AM »
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Re: grob 2014.10.03 (02)
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2014, 04:43:20 AM »
Audi?
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Re: grob 2014.10.03 (02)
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2014, 04:47:06 AM »
No.

Nothing german with this car.

As I wrote before, the chassis is American.

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Re: grob 2014.10.03 (02)
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2014, 05:54:00 AM »
I was having a little problem with your hints, but I have this one as a 1931 Packard with coach work by Graber of Switzerland.
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Re: grob 2014.10.03 (02)
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2014, 06:46:13 AM »
Yes!

It is indeed a Packard and the bodywork was made in Switzerland.

It may have been manufactured at Graber, but I was not able to find proof.

Anyway - this is LOCKED for you.

However I want to know what the exact name of this one was (the make), before you will get this point.
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Re: LOCKED for Bill Murray / grob 2014.10.03 (02)
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2014, 06:59:39 AM »
I am still not sure where you are going with this one, but.......

1931 Packard Super Eight 840 with Cabriolet body by Graber.

And yes, it is Graber according to my source, more than one built.

Bill
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Re: LOCKED for Bill Murray / grob 2014.10.03 (02)
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2014, 07:07:05 AM »
Yes sure, but the make was labeled not just "Packard", but "..... Packard"

Many technical details have been changed and improved in Switzerland, before those cars were finished so they arenīt just normal Packards.

Itīs so easy you might not think of it...

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Re: LOCKED for Bill Murray / grob 2014.10.03 (02)
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2014, 07:41:28 AM »
OK, but this is certainly not well known and I just found one reference to the name.

The Swiss Packard importer Werner Risch apparently labelled his Packards as "Swiss Packard".

I have honestly never seen a photo, and I have looked at thousands over the years, or a reference in several Packard history books I have or have seen that describe a Packard bodied in Switzerland as a "Swiss Packard" but I guess that is the way it was.

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Re: LOCKED for Bill Murray / grob 2014.10.03 (02)
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2014, 08:04:42 AM »
Your point!

It is a rare bird indeed.

It was labeled the "Swiss Packard" due to many changes and improvements.

here is how the logo has looked like:


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Re: Swiss Packard, built in Switzerland by Werner Risch, 1935
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2014, 08:07:55 AM »
Hereīs the german text:

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Re: Swiss Packard, built in Switzerland by Werner Risch, 1935
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2014, 08:21:39 AM »
It is an understatement to say that "you learn something new every day on this Forum".

Thanks for the point and the further information.

Here is another variant of the Risch Packard/Swiss Packard logo.

Bill
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Re: Swiss Packard, built in Switzerland by Werner Risch, 1935
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2014, 11:21:51 AM »
That picture seemed so awfully familiar: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=18483

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Re: Swiss Packard, built in Switzerland by Werner Risch, 1935
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2014, 11:25:55 AM »
I searched for swiss Packard and did not get a result.

Still now you will only find my puzzle (see below)


Again the search engine failed  :(

Well thank you.

May someone please merge those...
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Re: Swiss Packard, built in Switzerland by Werner Risch, 1935
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2014, 11:32:29 AM »
It is the old hyphen problem. "Swiss-Packard" won't be found, if you search for "Swiss Packard" and vice versa. Our search engine is not as clever as Google, but has much nicer pages to search in.  ;D