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(Another puzzle car which may not be what the owner claims)

For one point, specify the supposed year and brand name of this old car
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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2014, 07:40:48 AM »
Up!

Any ideas, Pros?

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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2014, 08:26:41 AM »
As a start I'd say it could be supposed to be an EMF (or Flanders) of 1909-12
Left-hand-drive looks wrong - as does the small steering wheel.
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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2014, 09:28:34 AM »
Surely not a fake Mercer Raceabout ?
I must be right - that's what it says on Wikipedia

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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2014, 09:50:28 AM »
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Surely not a fake Mercer Raceabout ?
At least a fake something?

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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2014, 10:19:24 AM »
Not EMF or Flanders.  Not Mercer.  Labelled as being built before 1909.

Many parts of this car seem not-quite-right.

1) To the left of the driver, is a tall external brake lever.  In a video of this vehicle, he seems to be shifting gears using an identical lever between driver and passenger.
2) If that is a radiator in the front, and a gas tank in the rear, what is that black tank-like object mounted on the left side of the hood/bonnet?
3) For a car of this age, the frame rails seem large and technically advanced
4) I have found no reference to another copy of this vehicle, or to the manufacturer

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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2014, 11:26:23 AM »
So it's name is not a known manufacturer? (It looks like a Brush).
I must be right - that's what it says on Wikipedia

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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2014, 12:02:06 PM »
There is a name printed on the radiator (obscured), but it is not that of a known manufacturer.

It does look very much like a Brush, from about 1909.  The engine cover of the puzzle car does seem to have more creases in it than the Brush images I have found (these creases are mirrored in the radiator shell).
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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2014, 12:41:01 PM »
The engine crank mechanism seems too sophisticated for 1909.  If you can see it from this image, it seems to include an anti-kickback device.

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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2014, 08:25:17 AM »
It might help to narrow down where the image was taken, the country of origin, and the year of manufacture.

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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2014, 08:16:59 PM »
South America?

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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2014, 09:27:49 PM »
Asian?

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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2014, 09:43:28 PM »
These images were taken in Asia.

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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2014, 01:45:19 PM »
India?

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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2014, 02:12:53 PM »
Not India.  Go East.

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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2014, 02:47:34 PM »
Japan?
https://rareandunique.media - Rare&Unique Vehicles magazine
http://magyarjarmu.hu - detailed Hungarian motoring history (Hungarian language)
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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2014, 06:42:54 PM »
Close, but not Japan

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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2014, 05:28:53 AM »
China?
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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2014, 08:41:44 AM »
Not China

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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2014, 09:08:39 AM »
Korea?
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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2014, 09:45:02 AM »
Not Korea

(Big jump)

Not on mainland Asia

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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2014, 10:24:51 AM »
Indonesia?
I must be right - that's what it says on Wikipedia

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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2014, 11:08:13 AM »
Not Indonesia

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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2014, 11:40:15 AM »
Philippines?

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Re: WTH # 360
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2014, 01:29:25 PM »
The car is in the Philippines.