Solved: Wendax 438 - Simca 8 barquette Deblon / Daguet

Wendax · January 04, 2012, 10:35:43 AM

Another one I don't know. I took the picture in 2010 at the Manoir de l'automobile in Lohéac, Brittany. It is probably a French racing car. I only have an idea what it could be based on.

For one point, please respond and prove your identification.

grobmotorix · January 07, 2012, 12:46:10 PM

I do not know, but here´s another pic:

Wendax · January 07, 2012, 02:54:14 PM

Thanks! You've been there last year?

grobmotorix · January 07, 2012, 03:01:49 PM

No, I´ve been there in ca. 2005.

I´ve just found this pic while doing research...

Wendax · January 14, 2013, 04:56:50 AM

More than one year withaout a reply from the pros. Open to all.

SACO · January 14, 2013, 01:53:53 PM

Simca based ?

Wendax · January 14, 2013, 01:55:20 PM

Yes, I think so looking at the wheels. That's the only clue I have.

thorax · January 15, 2013, 08:58:29 AM

the engine is from a a Simca 8.
Monopole?

Wendax · January 15, 2013, 09:11:57 AM

Quote from: thorax on January 15, 2013, 08:58:29 AM
the engine is from a a Simca 8.

That would underline my guess about its base.

Quote from: thorax on January 15, 2013, 08:58:29 AM
Monopole?

As I said in the opening text, I don't know anything about that car. I took the photo at the museum but didn't find anyone able to answer any questions about the car. So, identifications have to be proven.

nicanary · January 15, 2013, 03:42:42 PM

This could well turn out to be a black-hole candidate. I have checked photo records for Le Mans - in 1949 there was a Simca-engined special entered by Ecurie Verte for Gay/Baboin which had a modern-style barquette body, but the wheel-arches are the wrong shape, and it was powered by a 569cc engine. The whole body swung up for engine access, hinged at the rear.

A car which had a similar body to the "mystery" car was in the 1950 race but was Renault 4CV powered. Built and raced by Pierre Ferry it had the engine at the front.

Anyone got pics of French small sports-racers in other races of the period?

SACO · January 16, 2013, 02:30:16 AM

Perhaps this Simca non-qualified for Le Mans 1951 ( Deblon et Daguet )?

Wendax · January 16, 2013, 03:12:17 AM

There is certainly a big similarity. Two details keep me from agreeing instantly: I can't recall that the Lohéc car was RHD. I will have a look tonight if I have further notes on that car. Secondly, the top of the grill on the Deblon/Daguet car is on one height with the top of the headlights, while the grill on the Lohéac car is in a deeper position. Maybe the front mask was altered, maybe it is another car.

Wendax · January 16, 2013, 04:37:00 PM

A closer look at grob's picture makes me think that the Lohéac car is LHD what the Deblon/Daguet car isn't:

Wendax · April 16, 2013, 04:28:40 PM

Preserved in the black hole for future Simcarchaeologists...

grobmotorix · April 16, 2013, 04:30:51 PM

SACO · September 26, 2013, 01:55:35 AM

What's this, where and when , for 1 point ?

SACO · October 03, 2013, 01:17:13 AM

Experts !

Iluvatar · October 03, 2013, 08:50:07 AM

Simca?

SACO · October 03, 2013, 08:51:41 AM

Yes !

Locked for you !

Iluvatar · October 03, 2013, 04:11:01 PM

I have no idea... pleas unlock it... $:-\$

SACO · October 03, 2013, 04:21:11 PM

Unlocked !

Jean-Marie H · October 03, 2013, 05:39:12 PM

1951 "24 h du Mans" Simca de Deblon et Daguet.

The car didn't start the race.

SACO · October 04, 2013, 01:40:45 AM

Yes !
An other point for you !

grobmotorix · March 31, 2014, 04:33:54 PM

The car stood at 2014 Techno Classica at Galerie des Damiers´booth.

It seems to be the Deblon / Daguet car, that raced at Le Mans, indeed.

I realized the fact that was this puzzle car only after the event, so I did not ask for details...

But these are the three (mobile) photos I made:

Wendax · March 31, 2014, 04:45:57 PM

Great! Finally solved after more than two years! Funny, how the joint I thought to be the steering now has moved to the other side. Mechanics was never my strong point.

I declare this puzzle solved and I think it to be fair to split the two Black Hole points, so SACO and you get both one.

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Solved: Wendax 438 - Simca 8 barquette Deblon / Daguet