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Solved - NEH 3567: Gbelec Sport - 1960
« on: June 25, 2014, 07:24:36 AM »
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Re: NEH 3567
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2014, 05:05:44 AM »
Experts?
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Re: NEH 3567
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2014, 07:41:08 AM »
French ?
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Re: NEH 3567
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2014, 07:46:35 AM »
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Re: NEH 3567
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2014, 08:07:30 AM »
Fiat 'Topolino' based?
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Re: NEH 3567
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2014, 08:57:37 AM »
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Re: NEH 3567
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2014, 11:32:10 AM »
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Re: NEH 3567
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2014, 06:10:28 AM »
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Re: NEH 3567
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2014, 06:36:47 AM »
US?
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2014, 07:53:39 AM »
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Re: NEH 3567
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2014, 11:22:02 AM »
Italian?
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2014, 11:27:27 AM »
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Re: NEH 3567
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2014, 03:27:09 PM »
From down under ?
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Re: NEH 3567
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2014, 03:51:43 PM »
German?
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Re: NEH 3567
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2014, 04:10:49 PM »
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Re: NEH 3567
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2014, 04:39:47 PM »
1960 IFA Sport 850 by Alois Gbelec ?
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Re: NEH 3567
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2014, 07:16:24 PM »
Quote from: oko94 on July 04, 2014, 04:39:47 PM
1960 IFA Sport 850 by Alois Gbelec ?

Gbelec is right but don't know about the IFA Sport bit..
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Re: NEH 3567
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2014, 03:02:56 AM »
I've found the information in a book about Czech motosport. It says the car has got an IFA engine, Aero Minor gearbox and Jawa 250 suspension elements. Body was inspired by Tatra T605. I'll post a scan of the article tonight (got no time right now).
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Re: NEH 3567
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2014, 01:42:23 PM »
Quote from: oko94 on July 05, 2014, 03:02:56 AM
I've found the information in a book about Czech motosport. It says the car has got an IFA engine, Aero Minor gearbox and Jawa 250 suspension elements. Body was inspired by Tatra T605. I'll post a scan of the article tonight (got no time right now).

OK, I'm sure it has all those things but I just have it as the Gbelec Sport from 1960.
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Re: Solved - NEH 3567: Gbelec Sport - 1960
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2014, 03:54:32 PM »
I found a pic of the same car (with same driver with same helmet) at a Czech Historic Festival and the entry list states it as a 1959 IFA-Gbelec
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Re: Solved - NEH 3567: Gbelec Sport - 1960
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2014, 03:48:32 AM »
Spider Gbelec has Wartburg 992 cc engine and was built in 1957.
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Re: Solved - NEH 3567: Gbelec Sport - 1960
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2014, 11:31:03 AM »
This is very interesting. Karel Repa in his book, Premiery Nadseni claims that Alois Gbelec built this car in 1960 with an "IFA aka Wartburg 850 cc" engine. It can't be true as there was no such engine.

However, we already had a Gbelec-designed Wartbureg Formula Junior monoposto, the Mrkev from 1962 which was powered by a Wartburg 900 cc engine:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=12639.10
and we also had another Gbelec creation from 1957 with a 990 cc Wartburg engine:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=5310.5

My guess that this car was built in 1960, based on the 1957 design
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Re: Solved - NEH 3567: Gbelec Sport - 1960
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2014, 04:57:23 AM »
Quote from: pnegyesi on July 06, 2014, 11:31:03 AM
This is very interesting. Karel Repa in his book, Premiery Nadseni claims that Alois Gbelec built this car in 1960 with an "IFA aka Wartburg 850 cc" engine. It can't be true as there was no such engine.

Karel Repa's book was also my source for solving this puzzle. About the engine : the author says that the engine was "prevlozkovan" (the cylinder sleeves have been changed), which can explain the difference in displacement compared to a stock IFA unit. It's a common practice to adapt existing engines to motorsports regulations.
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