Author Topic: Solved (proably): PN #651 -- Otto, cca 1922 (Read 11903 times)

pnegyesi · « **on:** June 17, 2014, 02:52:46 PM »

I originally posted this in the id this car topic; but I think it is better here. So pls identify the car for a point - please supply some proof as I have no idea about the brand. Picture was taken in Romania sometime during the 1930s

grobmotorix · « **Reply #1 on:** June 18, 2014, 01:08:01 AM »

Very nice, very impressive.

But I have no idea so far...

nicanary · « **Reply #2 on:** June 24, 2014, 05:09:32 PM »

It's very large - I thought it might be a Joswin at first. There are two lines of script on the radiator grille, which could be the marque name.

grobmotorix · « **Reply #3 on:** June 24, 2014, 06:01:08 PM »

It could be a big mid 1920´s Hansa Lloyd - I try to find another photo.
The cooler mask looks quite like that one of the small Treff As:

4popoid · « **Reply #4 on:** June 24, 2014, 08:59:03 PM »

Perhaps an Ehrhardt-Szawe?

pnegyesi · « **Reply #5 on:** June 25, 2014, 12:51:00 AM »

As I said, I absolutely have no idea, though Szawe sounds plausible, but then what is those two lines of script on the grille?

4popoid · « **Reply #6 on:** June 25, 2014, 01:06:41 AM »

I was thinking perhaps:

Ehrhardt
Szawe

Although I can't begin to read the script, nor even determine how many letters per word. If it is an Ehrardt-Szawe, it would be a 6-cylinder 10/50 Hp from about 1923.

grobmotorix · « **Reply #7 on:** June 25, 2014, 01:45:18 AM »

The cooler mask looks much alike, but is not the same.
Here´s a photo of a 6-cyl. 1921 Ehrhardt from an ad:

4popoid · « **Reply #8 on:** June 25, 2014, 01:55:03 AM »

Yes grob, I've been having the same problem. However the combined Ehrhardt-Szawe was only made from sometime in 1922 until sometime in 1924, so I don't think the puzzle car would look exactly like either an Erhardt, or a Szawe, and I haven't been able to located a photograph of a true Ehrhardt-Szawe.

nicanary · « **Reply #9 on:** June 25, 2014, 05:27:14 AM »

The Ehrhardt-Szawe was only 2.6-litre engine capacity - this looks a lot, lot bigger than that. And the puzzle car appears to be bodied in a style from the mid-20s rather than around '22.

vintman · « **Reply #10 on:** June 26, 2014, 04:43:48 PM »

Hi, We have had the same enquiry and I have done some background research, but have got nowhere. Relatively sure the radiator top, and that on the photo above marked Hansa Lloyd are perhaps cca 1922 Horch. Have however not found anything resembling the size of the car. Rad header tank with two badges was used on the Horch 10'35 and 10'50. One was apparently built as a hunting car for the Swedish royal family. Only 2.6L. There does not seem to be a rad top that is curved and pointed other that this. Tyres are Continental Cord and car seems to have Teutonic mini lights below the headlamps. Also appears to have a rudimentary bumper at front. Looked at other German manufacturers. In view of Romanian origin of photo, also looked at Nesselsdorfer/Tatra as they had a vaguely similar rad in 1914/15. The script on the rad is annoying as it is almost readable. So near....

Not really getting anywhere!!

Regards

Vintman (UK)

Allan L · « **Reply #11 on:** June 27, 2014, 04:45:07 AM »

The wheels look very like those of the Nacional Pescara - but NP had very simple radiator arrangements, so probably not.

ropat53 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 01, 2014, 09:07:00 AM »

From PreWarCars another photo of the mystery car:
"Nicolae sent two photos (click for second one) showing a massive car which presumably is a Benz and ads that he suspects the car to be a Blitzen Benz in touring disguise. Note that the sum of radiator, hood plus cowl are longer than the full passenger compartment..! Well we don't think it's a Blitzen due to the long chassis. The sheer size of the monster at least suggests we're looking at one of the 'XL' 1912-1920 39/100 HP models or even - note again the ultra long bonnet - the ultra rare 22 litre 82/200 HP (in that case we should find a chaindrive). It has a similar long wheelbase yet slightly more modern than the 1913 82-200HP model. The photo was shot during a trip through Europe, but where and who are on board, this is not an everyman's motor. Any of you knows more about the car and what became of it? Dream away with the thought that you open an old shed somewhere stumbling upon this baby."

grobmotorix · « **Reply #13 on:** August 20, 2014, 02:37:39 PM »

I have a strong feeling that it might be an Otto from Munich.
There was an older puzzle I placed here at Autopuzzles:
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=24337.msg268523#msg268523

He built various types, but they all feature this significant cooler mask.

I have another photo of WW1 airplane fighter ace Ernst Udet with another 6 Liter Otto

grobmotorix · « **Reply #14 on:** August 21, 2014, 01:37:32 AM »

Here´s a photo of another Otto from Munich.

It looks like a test drive with a chassis ready to race or to be brought to a coachbuilder.

There is no real bodywork visible.

They were all huge cars, so maybe the puzzle car was a kind of long wheelbase, four seater Otto Tourenwagen:

grobmotorix · « **Reply #15 on:** September 17, 2014, 01:15:53 PM »

What do you think?

pnegyesi · « **Reply #16 on:** September 17, 2014, 01:18:15 PM »

Yes, you are probably right. So I am awarding you a point and move this to solved

grobmotorix · « **Reply #17 on:** September 17, 2014, 03:00:11 PM »

I am still not too sure with and I am not too keen on getting this point, really.

I would like to be sure about this one...

Hopefully this will be definitly solved some day.

Wendax · « **Reply #18 on:** October 03, 2018, 06:00:27 PM »

This Otto has the same wheels as on the puzzle car (another Otto added):

pnegyesi · « **Reply #19 on:** October 04, 2018, 03:25:58 AM »

wow, nice!

grobmotorix · « **Reply #20 on:** October 04, 2018, 10:32:33 AM »

top!

pnegyesi · « **Reply #21 on:** November 25, 2022, 04:43:07 PM »

one more Otto picture from 1923

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