Author Topic: Solved: PN #671 -- Károly Csermely's Benz aeroplane engined racecar, 1919-1920  (Read 1134 times)

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Who built this automobile, when and what was its power source? When it is solved I will show a picture of the real automobile.
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Re: PN #671
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2014, 02:15:41 PM »
Experts?
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Re: PN #671
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2014, 09:43:44 AM »
Professionals?
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Re: PN #671
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2014, 09:54:36 AM »
Austrian?

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Re: PN #671
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2014, 09:58:54 AM »
no
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Re: PN #671
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2014, 10:09:38 AM »
German?

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Re: PN #671
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2014, 10:13:36 AM »
no
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Re: PN #671
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2014, 10:35:43 AM »
From one of the countries which would find themselves behind the Iron Curtain later on?

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Re: PN #671
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2014, 10:40:27 AM »
yes
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Re: PN #671
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2014, 11:01:24 AM »
Looks like a big car.. From Poland?

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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2014, 11:02:28 AM »
A big car indeed, not from Poland
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Re: PN #671
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2014, 11:05:22 AM »
Hungary?

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Re: PN #671
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2014, 11:24:08 AM »
 8) yes
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Re: PN #671
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2014, 02:01:53 PM »
MARTA?

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Re: PN #671
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2014, 02:06:33 PM »
The question was "who", so it was not a company. Not MARTA
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Re: PN #671
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2014, 04:09:12 PM »
Wessely György?

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Re: PN #671
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2014, 11:36:56 PM »
György Wessely built a very interesting thing in 1877, but it was not an engine-powered vehicle.

In other words: no
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Re: PN #671
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2014, 12:34:11 AM »
János Csonka?

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Re: PN #671
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2014, 12:57:28 AM »
MAG?

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Re: PN #671
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2014, 01:11:09 AM »
MÁG was a company so no, János Csonka was a very profilic automobile designer prior to the 1st WW, but as this car was built after the 1st WW, so this is not his design
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Re: PN #671
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2014, 01:47:24 AM »
Jeno Fejes?

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Re: PN #671
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2014, 02:36:01 AM »
Jenő Fejes is a good guess as he was active in the 1920s. In 1913 he became chief engineer at the newly set up MÁG company and designed their first chassis. In 1922 he set up his own company to manufacture the Fejes car.

It's not him though
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Re: PN #671
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2014, 01:25:19 PM »
Perhaps one of Fejes' engineers: Laszlo Fabian?

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Re: PN #671
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2014, 01:42:27 PM »
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Re: PN #671
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2014, 02:04:25 PM »
Perhaps one of Fejes' engineers: Lechner Egonnal?