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Please identify both donor and coachbuilder for a point
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Re: PN #667
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2014, 02:07:39 PM »
Experts?
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Re: PN #667
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2014, 02:13:52 PM »
Professionals?
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Re: PN #667
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2014, 02:33:26 PM »
From Hungary?

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Re: PN #667
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2014, 02:47:53 PM »
absolutely and definitely not
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Re: PN #667
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2014, 12:24:37 AM »
From Europe?

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Re: PN #667
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2014, 03:45:08 AM »
no
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Re: PN #667
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2014, 12:55:33 PM »
USA marque?

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Re: PN #667
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2014, 02:42:45 PM »
yes
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Re: PN #667
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2014, 03:08:59 PM »
Pre-1910?

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Re: PN #667
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2014, 03:19:16 PM »
Yes
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Re: PN #667
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2014, 03:36:40 PM »
American Mors (40-52 hp?) by The St. Louis Car Company of St. Louis, MO, USA from about 1907.

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Re: PN #667
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2014, 03:52:53 PM »
no. The picture is from a page dealing with the coachbuilder
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Re: PN #667
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2014, 04:55:06 PM »
The automobile pictured is a: 1908 Limousine by Miller Brothers of Amesbury, MA, USA.  Is the base a: Packard Model 30 (Series U)?
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Re: PN #667
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2014, 05:47:51 PM »
Or perhaps a 1907 Cleveland Landaulet by Miller Brothers

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Re: PN #667
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2014, 11:34:17 PM »
One point for each of you :)
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Re: Solved: PN #667 -- 1907 Cleveland Landaulet by Miller Brothers
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2014, 12:46:20 AM »
Thanks Pal! 

I'm somewhat confused by the base for this car.  The reference I have shows this vehicle in at least two places.  The same picture is used, and is labeled: "PLATE No. 381. LIMOUSINE" & "Carriage work built by Miller Bros., Amesbury, MA."  However, the picture caption in one place reads: "1908 Miller Brothers Limousine Automobile", while in another place the picture caption reads: "1907 Cleveland Landaulet Automobile, Made by Miller Brothers".  The body of the puzzle car appears to be that of a limousine rather than a landaulet, and directly above the picture labeled 1908 Limousine is a picture labeled: "1908 Cleveland Touring Automobile", which shows an automobile with a dissimilar radiator shape, and dissimilar hubcaps.  These discrepancies caused me to deduce that the puzzle car was not a Cleveland, but something else, perhaps a Packard, since the radiator shape and hubcaps appear to resemble that marque.  Can you shed any light on this confusion?  I'll be happy to PM my reference pages, if you like, but I suspect that you already have them.

Please note, I'm not disputing 'cuda's point, I'm just trying to understand the discrepancy in the common reference source.