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Title: Solved: PN #655 -- Bertrand, 1901
Post by: pnegyesi on June 29, 2014, 06:55:28 AM: Please identify this car for a point
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 06, 2014, 02:08:06 AM: Experts?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 13, 2014, 05:52:37 AM: Professionals?
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Post by: 4popoid on July 13, 2014, 09:26:27 AM: French from about 1903?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 13, 2014, 09:28:55 AM: French, but the pic was made earlier
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Post by: 4popoid on July 14, 2014, 03:48:25 AM: Brouhot from about 1900?
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Post by: Arunas on July 14, 2014, 03:56:27 AM: Brierre?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 14, 2014, 04:49:16 AM: neither of the two
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Post by: Arunas on July 14, 2014, 04:58:17 AM: Is it powered by De Dion-Bouton?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 14, 2014, 05:47:22 AM: The company used two sources for engines. One of them was DeDion
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Post by: Arunas on July 14, 2014, 06:10:13 AM: Was the company defunct before 1905?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 14, 2014, 06:35:06 AM: yes
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Post by: 4popoid on July 14, 2014, 11:41:49 AM: 1902 Vinet?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 14, 2014, 12:52:24 PM: no
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Post by: 4popoid on July 14, 2014, 03:09:54 PM: 1902 Rigal?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 14, 2014, 03:38:17 PM: no
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Post by: 4popoid on July 14, 2014, 04:25:52 PM: Stella from about 1900?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 14, 2014, 10:39:15 PM: no
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Post by: 4popoid on July 14, 2014, 11:08:26 PM: Gallet et Itasse from 1900/1901?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 15, 2014, 01:22:26 AM: no
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Post by: 4popoid on July 15, 2014, 01:31:03 AM: 1902 Gautier?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 15, 2014, 03:58:07 AM: no
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Post by: Paul Jaray on July 15, 2014, 04:21:03 AM: Electrogenia (Champrobert)?
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Post by: AlexFrance on July 15, 2014, 04:48:34 AM: Was it manufactured in the Paris area?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 15, 2014, 05:07:20 AM: This was made in Paris and not an Electrogenia
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Post by: Paul Jaray on July 15, 2014, 05:15:41 AM: De Boisse?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 15, 2014, 06:04:48 AM: no
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Post by: 4popoid on July 15, 2014, 11:46:08 AM: 1901 Hanzer?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 15, 2014, 12:46:24 PM: no
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Post by: 4popoid on July 15, 2014, 01:17:28 PM: 1901 Korn et Latil?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 15, 2014, 01:19:47 PM: no

This was a short-living manufacturer, but it has a quite detailed history available online
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Post by: 4popoid on July 15, 2014, 01:36:53 PM: When you say: " This was made in Paris....", do you mean Paris proper, or including the Paris suburbs (for example: Levallois-Perret)?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 15, 2014, 02:09:38 PM: Paris proper
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Post by: 4popoid on July 15, 2014, 02:12:14 PM: Is this the rare Farman of 1902?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 15, 2014, 02:36:59 PM: no
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Post by: 4popoid on July 15, 2014, 03:14:14 PM: 1900 Élan?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 15, 2014, 03:28:31 PM: no
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Post by: 4popoid on July 15, 2014, 04:35:11 PM: Crouan?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 15, 2014, 11:44:31 PM: no
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Post by: 4popoid on July 15, 2014, 11:48:02 PM: ~~1901 Parisienne?~~

I have just discovered a French brand that I have never heard of previously, but which fits all of the puzzle criteria thus far defined, except for the brand(s) of engine used, which are unmentioned. There is even a lengthy article regarding the unusual means of control (clutching, shifting, braking, etc.), as well as a photograph, which, although from a different angle, seems to match the puzzle car. So, is the puzzle car a: Mégy from about 1901 by the firm L. Mégy of Paris, which operated 1901-1903?
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Post by: Arunas on July 16, 2014, 03:03:32 AM: My next guess is Chainless by SA des voitures Legeres Chainless.
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 16, 2014, 04:50:18 AM: not a Chainless or a Mégy
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Post by: ropat53 on July 16, 2014, 09:02:13 AM: Baudier 3CV
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 16, 2014, 09:58:09 AM: not a BAudier
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Post by: 4popoid on July 16, 2014, 11:54:28 AM: Back to my original thought. 1901 Parisienne?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 16, 2014, 12:17:46 PM: no
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Post by: 4popoid on July 16, 2014, 01:08:40 PM: 1901 Bouhey?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 16, 2014, 02:36:57 PM: no
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Post by: 4popoid on July 16, 2014, 07:25:48 PM: 1901 Éole?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 16, 2014, 11:07:00 PM: no
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Post by: 4popoid on July 17, 2014, 12:29:01 AM: Did this company exist prior to 1900?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 17, 2014, 01:11:50 AM: according to the website which tracks the history of this brand, the company launched its first model in 1900 and was gone by the end of 1902
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Post by: 4popoid on July 17, 2014, 02:09:07 AM: Vilain from 1901/1902?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 17, 2014, 02:32:27 AM: no
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Post by: 4popoid on July 17, 2014, 02:38:25 AM: The only other Parisian firm in my data base that remotely fits the criteria supposedly used only Buchet engines, not De Dion, but I will give it a try. Renaux from 1901/1902?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 17, 2014, 02:40:22 AM: no
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Post by: 4popoid on July 17, 2014, 02:48:50 AM: Surely not Soncin (they look nothing like the puzzle car, and made their own engines)?
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 17, 2014, 03:35:39 AM: no

btw I found a source which mentioned four different engine sources, including DeDion
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Post by: 4popoid on July 17, 2014, 03:57:21 AM: At the moment I have no more possibilities for the exact dates that you mentioned (1900-1902), but I have a couple of possibilities with very similar dates, and who used De Dion engines. So I will try them, for, as we know, sometime dates vary depending on the source, and I will put the dates I have in parentheses. First, I will try Empress (1899-1901).
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 17, 2014, 04:14:24 AM: remember, there is a website devoted to this car.
Not Empress
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Post by: 4popoid on July 17, 2014, 01:58:34 PM: I finally found it! Bertrand 1901!
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Post by: pnegyesi on July 17, 2014, 02:21:37 PM: perseverance is a great element of success :) :)
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Post by: Wendax on August 01, 2014, 04:56:29 PM: Another picture:
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Post by: pnegyesi on August 04, 2014, 04:56:07 AM: nice, thank you