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Ubb129 Gatso 4000 Coupe at Zandvoort June 1950
« on: December 16, 2013, 05:48:21 PM »
For 1 point I would like to know the venue, the year and make/model of the car on the right

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Re: Ubb129
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2013, 07:13:00 PM »
Zandvoort - 1949 FIAT 1100 Gilco Sports

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Re: Ubb129
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2013, 07:59:14 AM »
Zandvoort is correct, year is close but the car isn't a Fiat Gilco

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Re: Ubb129
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2013, 08:17:07 AM »
date is probably 10th june 1951 the driver in the centre is van dieten

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Re: Ubb129
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2013, 04:51:56 PM »
Well, the one in the middle is indeed van Dieten. But I need to know what car we see on the right. The year is still close, but not 1951....

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Re: Ubb129
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2013, 06:02:26 PM »
1948 Cisitalia 202MM

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Re: Ubb129
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2013, 06:39:48 AM »
Not a Cisitalia

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Re: Ubb129
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2014, 05:53:18 PM »
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Re: Ubb129
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2014, 06:11:49 PM »
Zandvoort 11 June 1950 and Maurice Gatsonides in the Gatso 4000 coupé?
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Re: Ubb129
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2014, 07:05:27 PM »
Zandvoort 11 June 1950 and Maurice Gatsonides in the Gatso 4000 coupé?

That's the one ! A point for you. Here is a side view, strange car...

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Re: Ubb129 Gatso 4000 Coupe at Zandvoort June 1950
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2014, 02:38:17 AM »
It seems to have lost its cyclops headlight over the years. As the other headlights seem to protrude less than in the 1948 picture, perhaps a nose job was done after an accident.

We had the car in its initial guise before: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=12949.0

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Re: Ubb129 Gatso 4000 Coupe at Zandvoort June 1950
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2014, 05:06:16 AM »
It seems to have lost its cyclops headlight over the years. As the other headlights seem to protrude less than in the 1948 picture, perhaps a nose job was done after an accident.

We had the car in its initial guise before: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=12949.0
I also saw that the head lights were a bit different from the original 1948 pic, could well be because of an accident. I could ask some of my friends who know all about Zandvoort history

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Re: Ubb129 Gatso 4000 Coupe at Zandvoort June 1950
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2014, 01:40:30 AM »
The car on the left is also a Gatso !

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Re: Ubb129 Gatso 4000 Coupe at Zandvoort June 1950
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2014, 05:24:51 AM »
The car on the left is also a Gatso !

Thank you Saco. I thought I was going mad - which is left and which is right?
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Re: Ubb129 Gatso 4000 Coupe at Zandvoort June 1950
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2014, 05:59:08 AM »
In this case, I think SACO meant "Right as you look at it" rather than "Grid [stage] right".

Is that an RM Riley on the third row?  Hardly likely to provide any competition to an XK120.
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Re: Ubb129 Gatso 4000 Coupe at Zandvoort June 1950
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2014, 06:52:13 AM »
In this case, I think SACO meant "Right as you look at it" rather than "Grid [stage] right".

Is that an RM Riley on the third row?  Hardly likely to provide any competition to an XK120.
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I thought it looked like a "waterfall" grille of a late-30s American sedan. I think the Dutch were like the British in this era with regards to production car races - if it was in production, then it raced against anything else "in production". Sports cars and saloons all lumped together.
I must be right - that's what it says on Wikipedia

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Re: Ubb129 Gatso 4000 Coupe at Zandvoort June 1950
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2014, 07:06:32 AM »
I wanted to say: there is 2 Gatso!  ;D

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Re: Ubb129 Gatso 4000 Coupe at Zandvoort June 1950
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2014, 10:33:11 AM »
There are indeed 2 Gatso's. The white one on the left is a Gatso 4000 Roadster driven by Klaas Barendregt, in the middle the XK120 Roadster from Johannes van Dieten and on the right the Gatso 4000 Coupé driven by Maus Gatsonides himself