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MJW #668
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2011, 08:08:29 PM »
This is from a French forum probably well known for many autopuzzlers.
Thanks faksta
This looks as though it could be the same car modified to coupe configuration.
I'll wait a bit before renaming it for any further information.....
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Re: Solved (partly) - MJW #668 - Cegga-Maserati 1967
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2011, 05:53:26 AM »
This Gegga-Ferrari, with some slight differences to the lower front aerodynamics, looks quite like the puzzle car. Same cockpit shape, side air intakes, single wiper, etc. It seems this car was built on the chassis of a Cooper Monaco
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Re: Solved (partly) - MJW #668 - Cegga-Maserati 1967
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2011, 08:23:25 AM »
this is the Cegga-Ferrari in its 1967 configuration:
They look quite different from the side view...
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MJW #668
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2011, 10:53:21 AM »
I'll try to find my original source again in order to check if more information is available.
There must be someone out there who knows this particular car...
Thanks for all your observations so far.
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Re: Solved (partly) - MJW #668 - Cegga-Maserati 1967
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2011, 11:26:18 AM »
Comparing the picture of the "Cegga-Ferrari" that I found, it is the car that Paul Jaray posted not the puzzle car.
So, please subtract the undeserved point.
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MJW #668
« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2011, 12:34:00 PM »
Comparing the picture of the "Cegga-Ferrari" that I found, it is the car that Paul Jaray posted not the puzzle car.
So, please subtract the undeserved point.
Not wholly undeserved but I'll subtract it as you wish.....
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MJW #668
« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2011, 01:46:53 PM »
Admins - it appears I may have jumped the gun by declaring this one (partly) solved  :-[
Is it possible to move it back to the Professional section as I believe there is much more discussion to come before a true identification can be achieved?
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Re: Solved (partly) - MJW #668 - Cegga-Maserati 1967
« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2011, 05:25:31 PM »
Done!

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MJW #668
« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2011, 11:18:04 PM »
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2011, 03:35:23 AM »
Really don't know, have a picture of a very similar car, racing in Monthlery, from one of the photographic albums published by French magazine "Echappement", IIRC they say it's a Swiss driven Elva-Porsche :)
Moltogatto kindly sent me a scan of this front cover - see below.

I can't believe this is an Elva-Porsche but I suppose it could have been rebodied.

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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2011, 03:40:12 AM »
My own source was an article by Georges Gachnang in "RetroCourse" where you will note the photo caption.

I find it all very confusing......
I've checked various sources for race results at Montlhery but can't tie it up with any of the listed entries.

I'm sure it will be solved eventually.


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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2011, 09:41:51 AM »
Norisring 1967 ( Gustav Schlups is the driver ):
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2011, 11:17:38 AM »
Norisring 1967 ( Gustav Schlup is the driver ):
It certainly looks like the same car...... :)
I'll leave this one open for a while until we can prove it one way or the other.
Thanks for the picture SACO.

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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2012, 05:34:21 AM »
Moving to the BH until someone comes up with a clear answer.....

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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2013, 05:35:28 PM »
I'm confused by these references to Gustav Schlup's Elva - as far as I am aware at that time he drove an Elva-Alfa MkVII converted to coupe form. Those photos claiming to be his car are nothing of the sort IMHO. This is the Elva, which is nothing like the puzzle car.
I must be right - that's what it says on Wikipedia

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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2013, 06:19:08 AM »
I have to apologise to all those taking part in this thread - yesterday was my birthday and my daughter had bought me a rather fine single-malt Irish whiskey, which got the better of me late in the evening, The photo I have depicted is indeed Gustav Schlup in his Elva Mk VII powered by an Alfa Romeo engine, but of course the year is 1966. The puzzle car dates from 1967, and in that year Herr Schlup campaigned an Elva Mk VII powered by a 2.0 litre Porsche flat 6 engine. I cannot imagine he bought another chassis, and assume therefore that he re-engined his '66 car.

Now here's the interesting thing - the "certain site" which contains many sports racing car records, confirms the number of that Elva at the Norisring as #26. I have also found the exact same photo as SACO, on a German-language site. It makes me wonder whether Schlup re-bodied the car at the same time as he re-engined it.

The Gachnang brothers had a strange way of making racing cars - they invariably assembled something from what they had lying around, and often used obsolete cars with a modernised body. The Ferrari-engined sports car I'm pretty sure used the motor from their old re-bodied Ferrari 250TR, stuck into an old Cooper Monaco frame. The Cegga-Maserati claim for the puzzle car quite rightly confused puzzler D-Type - that car started life as a 1.5-litre Formula 1 car, then was re-engined, still in single-seater form, with a 2.0-litre Maserati engine for European Hillclimb Championship events. Later still, it was re-engineered as a Group 6 racer, with a body on the lines of a Mclaren M6/8, and still exists to this day in that form.

I can't prove anything, but I'm sure in my mind that the puzzle photo was incorrectly captioned by the magazine. That is not a Cegga, but Herr Schlup's Elva-Porsche MkVII from 1967 and 1968. From 1969 he raced a Porsche 911.

I've just found a reference to this car on a French site - it is mentioned in Janos Wimpffen's book on Elva cars as an Elva MkVII converted by Schlup to run a Porsche 906 engine - the windscreen apparently comes from a 906, and it certainly looks the same.
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2014, 05:34:14 AM »
Nicanary, I think you've now reached the correct solution to this 'mystery'.

It just proves that you can't believe everything you read in books, magazines or on the Internet.

There are still a large number of unsolved puzzles on this site but I'm sure they'll be 'put to bed' given time....... ;)

Well done and another point for you and I'm going to award a point to SACO for providing photographic evidence.
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