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Solved - MJW #668 - Elva Mk VII-Porsche (rebodied?) 1967
« on: November 04, 2011, 10:13:58 PM »
A bit of a mystery car to me.

I only have the base make and who the builder was.......
Can anyone expand this information?
One point on offer.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2011, 11:18:41 PM by woodinsight »
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2011, 10:18:08 AM »
It seems taken from a late 60-beginning 70 Targa Florio
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2011, 01:13:02 PM »
Quote from: fgsavoia on November 05, 2011, 10:18:08 AM
It seems taken from a late 60-beginning 70 Targa Florio
The era is correct but can you name the car?
Don't think there's a Targa Florio connection but I may be wrong.
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2011, 04:54:13 AM »
We're certainly in France, at Monthléry
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2011, 06:23:39 AM »
Quote from: M630 on November 06, 2011, 04:54:13 AM
We're certainly in France, at Monthléry
That sounds more likely..... :)
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2011, 03:25:01 AM »
Elva-Porsche?
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2011, 05:11:52 AM »
Quote from: moltogatto on November 09, 2011, 03:25:01 AM
Elva-Porsche?
Not that.....
Just to narrow it down a little - it is of dual nationality but not British or German
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2011, 06:11:19 AM »
Really don't know, have a picture of a very similar car, racing in Monthlery, from one of the photographic albums published by French magazine "Echappement", IIRC they say it's a Swiss driven Elva-Porsche :)
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2011, 07:57:52 AM »
Switzerland is where this car was built but no connection to Elva-Porsche as far as I'm aware.....
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2011, 10:42:19 AM »
Borghi?
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2011, 11:29:01 AM »
Quote from: moltogatto on November 09, 2011, 10:42:19 AM
Borghi?
Not Borghi, not quite as obscure
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2011, 03:49:55 AM »
Cegga?
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2011, 10:00:13 AM »
Quote from: moltogatto on November 10, 2011, 03:49:55 AM
Cegga?
Yes it is - the caption for the photo said it was a Gachnang-?
Cegga is of course the Gachnang brothers.
Locked for you to complete what make of car it was based on.
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2011, 12:45:09 PM »
Ferrari?
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2011, 12:51:37 PM »
Quote from: moltogatto on November 10, 2011, 12:45:09 PM
Ferrari?
Not Ferrari.
Still locked for you but only until your next reply
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2011, 04:36:31 PM »
Thank you, but I'm not able to come up with a proper reply, so I think it's fair to leave it :)
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2011, 09:47:20 PM »
Quote from: moltogatto on November 10, 2011, 04:36:31 PM
Thank you, but I'm not able to come up with a proper reply, so I think it's fair to leave it :)
Fair enough - unlocked again.
I'd still like to know more about this car when the name is solved.
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2011, 03:33:10 PM »
Now in the Experts section
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2011, 06:55:03 PM »
Earlier Cegga had used a Maserati engine in their Formula 1 chassis.  But you say this was based on another car implying that it was not their own chassis with a a proprietary engine in their own chassis.  That rules out Maserati.  So was this a Porsche modified by the Gachnang brothers and re-branded as a Cegga?
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2011, 01:15:51 AM »
Quote from: D-type on November 11, 2011, 06:55:03 PM
Earlier Cegga had used a Maserati engine in their Formula 1 chassis.  But you say this was based on another car implying that it was not their own chassis with a a proprietary engine in their own chassis.  That rules out Maserati.  So was this a Porsche modified by the Gachnang brothers and re-branded as a Cegga?
Now you've posed some questions that I can't answer as I only have the photo caption to refer to.
If I tell you that this was captioned in a French magazine as a Gachnang-Maserati, do you have any more information that would support this? I'm aware of the Maserati-engined Formula 1 car.
I'll lock it for you if you have proof or a further explanation.
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2011, 09:14:01 AM »
Don't worry about locking it - I have nothing to add. 

Cegga stands for "Claude et George Gachang, Aigle" so a Cegga and a Gachang are effectively the same make.  I was really saying that this car cannot be Maserati-based as I can't think of a Maserati model that they could base it on.  Hence this would be their own chassis  with a Maserati engine, ie a Maserati-engined car but not a Maserati-based one.   (The reference to Porsche is simply because Porsche did produce cars that someone could modify so you could have a Porsche-based car - nothing more)
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Re: MJW #668
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2011, 10:10:53 AM »
Quote from: D-type on November 12, 2011, 09:14:01 AM
Don't worry about locking it - I have nothing to add. 

Cegga stands for "Claude et George Gachang, Aigle" so a Cegga and a Gachang are effectively the same make.  I was really saying that this car cannot be Maserati-based as I can't think of a Maserati model that they could base it on.  Hence this would be their own chassis  with a Maserati engine, ie a Maserati-engined car but not a Maserati-based one.   (The reference to Porsche is simply because Porsche did produce cars that someone could modify so you could have a Porsche-based car - nothing more)

Duncan I'm giving you the point as that's all the information I have.
I think it's a Maserati-engined Cegga dating from c.1967 as per the photo caption.
Perhaps someone will come up with the full story in time (it could be worth another point)
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Re: Solved (partly) - MJW #668 - Cegga-Maserati 1967
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2011, 11:37:07 AM »
No point please - I haven't earned it as I simply made a couple of guesses.  Moltogatto deserves the point for identifying the car as a Cegga.

I'm still looking into this one.  I have found a photo of what appears to be this car identified as a 1967 Cegga-Ferrari rather than Cegga-Maserati but I am waiting for a login on another site to come through before I can confirm it.
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MJW #668
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2011, 12:05:23 PM »
Quote from: D-type on November 12, 2011, 11:37:07 AM
No point please - I haven't earned it as I simply made a couple of guesses.  Moltogatto deserves the point for identifying the car as a Cegga.

I'm still looking into this one.  I have found a photo of what appears to be this car identified as a 1967 Cegga-Ferrari rather than Cegga-Maserati but I am waiting for a login on another site to come through before I can confirm it.
I'll leave your point in place as you are busy working on the identification.
I've also given Moltogatto a point.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2011, 03:29:04 AM by woodinsight »
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Re: Solved (partly) - MJW #668 - Cegga-Maserati 1967
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2011, 01:34:03 PM »
This is from a French forum probably well known for many autopuzzlers.
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