Author Topic: SOLVED: WTH # 325 - Ballot 2LS and Bugatti Type 29/30 in 1922 French GP at Strasbourg (Read 1380 times)

sixtee5cuda · « **on:** February 28, 2014, 02:24:45 PM »

(Not absolutely sure this isn't a re-post)

When and where was this picture taken, and what cars are these?

sixtee5cuda · « **Reply #1 on:** March 03, 2014, 11:01:30 PM »

Time for a quick Expert point?

frederick59 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 04, 2014, 06:43:42 AM »

looks like the virage de la source at Francorchamps

sixtee5cuda · « **Reply #3 on:** March 04, 2014, 07:44:25 AM »

Not at Spa-Francorchamps

serra · « **Reply #4 on:** March 04, 2014, 09:29:04 AM »

I think It is the 1922 French GP at Strasbourg. Giulio Foresti leads with his #14 Ballot 2LS Pierre de Vizcaya with his #12 bugatti type 30.
First I thought that both cars were bugatti but then I saw the anchor.
Here there is a nice picture about the Ballot.

sixtee5cuda · « **Reply #5 on:** March 04, 2014, 09:50:18 AM »

And the point goes to Serra for the complete answer. In fact, you included more information than I had, when I posted the puzzle.

I recently tried searching for the Anchor, thinking it was actually a religious cross. Various sources also describe the Bugatti as a Type 29/30.

Your Ballot image has part of the aerodynamic nose removed. In theory, this area contained the spare tire. In practice, the spare was not carried during the race, to save weight.

nicanary · « **Reply #6 on:** March 04, 2014, 10:16:05 AM »

The corner is the hairpin in the village of Duttlenheim.

Allan L · « **Reply #7 on:** March 04, 2014, 01:33:49 PM »

Quote from: nicanary on March 04, 2014, 10:16:05 AM

The corner is the hairpin in the village of Duttlenheim.

More a T-junction than a hairpin.
Somewhere I have a photo I took of it in the 1980s with the buildings still recognisable.

nicanary · « **Reply #8 on:** March 04, 2014, 01:57:16 PM »

I defer to someone who's been there - I just looked at a circuit map.

The anchor represents the Ballot marque badge , which consisted largely of an anchor with the letters E and B either side of the upright. I have no idea whether the E stands for Ernest (Ballot) or the title of the company - Ets Ballot SA. (There should be an acute accent over the E and my schoolboy French has deserted me as to what it's short for).

serra · « **Reply #9 on:** March 04, 2014, 02:32:56 PM »

I have found some photos that make me think that the photo is taken in Duttlenheim.
What do yuo think about it?

serra · « **Reply #10 on:** March 04, 2014, 03:14:33 PM »

I leave some photos about Strasbourg Circuit for French GP 1922. I hope the numbers were Ok.

Wendax · « **Reply #11 on:** March 04, 2014, 03:28:58 PM »

The roof has been closed since then:

Allan L · « **Reply #12 on:** March 04, 2014, 05:52:37 PM »

Yes, Wendax, that Google Streetview shot more or less how my photo shows it except the [**** d'Or] cafe is now an Indian restaurant.

Wendax · « **Reply #13 on:** March 05, 2014, 02:12:33 AM »

Times they are a changin....

Allan L · « **Reply #14 on:** March 10, 2014, 10:37:16 AM »

As I said, I was there in October 1986, and here is my photo of the corner (taken against the sun so poor quality) in roughly the same alignment as the OP. The second, much as Serra's No 9, shows the beginning of the straight they were turning into with the Croix d'Or on the right.

grobmotorix · « **Reply #15 on:** March 23, 2014, 02:18:14 PM »

A rare 1922 photo:

grobmotorix · « **Reply #16 on:** December 08, 2014, 11:06:30 AM »

Another 1922 photo:

Carnut · « **Reply #17 on:** December 08, 2014, 11:23:36 AM »

From the days before they started to fit round wheels to cars..!

grobmotorix · « **Reply #18 on:** December 08, 2014, 11:54:07 AM »

Allan L · « **Reply #19 on:** December 09, 2014, 10:16:38 AM »

Quote from: Carnut on December 08, 2014, 11:23:36 AM

From the days before they started to fit round wheels to cars..!

They went better with wheels leaning forward, y'know.

Good job that focal plane shutters moved downwards as photos of speeding cars leaning backards wouldn't have been right!

grobmotorix · « **Reply #20 on:** December 09, 2014, 12:27:59 PM »

Some tried to use those elliptical wheels still in the 1940´s...

grobmotorix · « **Reply #21 on:** January 08, 2015, 10:38:28 AM »

A nice 1922 illustration of the Ballot:

grobmotorix · « **Reply #22 on:** January 19, 2015, 02:12:58 PM »

And a fine 1922 detail shot with its driver Foresti:

grobmotorix · « **Reply #23 on:** February 07, 2015, 07:16:24 AM »

And a nice front detail shot without the hood:

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