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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2014, 05:48:08 PM »
I think Patrick is going to get this one but I have been trying too.

I am known for not asking too many open questions but if I can make some observations that may help someone else.

The design/paint scheme to me indicate some sort of commercial use of the vehicle rather than it being a private vehicle.

It might be used by an auto racing team, a Tour de France team, a Carnival vehicle or goodness knows what.  I could find nothing based on this theory but maybe Patrick or someone else can find a connection.

Bill

Let's follow Bill suggestions.  I'll try the circus : Assomption ?

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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2014, 08:20:15 AM »
Yes ! for a circus ,but not Assomption ( and not a truck coach builder !)

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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2014, 08:43:11 AM »
Cordier of Beaune?

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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2014, 12:32:40 PM »
No !
A well-known coach builder !

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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2014, 01:01:33 PM »
Pourtout ?

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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2014, 02:04:04 PM »
Not Pourtout !

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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2014, 04:39:07 PM »
Grange Frères ?

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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2014, 01:54:19 AM »
 Not a truck coach builder !

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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2014, 10:15:50 AM »
Not a truck coach builder !

Grange also bodied buses.,,  Carde ?

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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2014, 11:01:53 AM »
Not Carde !
It's not a bus coach builder !

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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2014, 01:20:15 PM »
Chapron ?

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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2014, 01:52:25 PM »
Not Chapron !

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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2014, 03:38:32 PM »
From a well-known coachbuider ?

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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2014, 04:56:12 PM »
Yes !

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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2014, 05:29:02 PM »
Gaston Grummer?

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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2014, 02:12:09 AM »
Not Grummer !

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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2014, 03:58:18 PM »
Labourdette?

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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2014, 09:39:39 PM »
Antem ?
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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #43 on: May 26, 2014, 01:30:35 AM »
Yes ! a mobile home Renault ZPDE 1937 by Labourdette for a circus !
1 point for  targhediferro  :)

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Re: SAC#707
« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2014, 01:22:18 PM »
Yes ! a mobile home Renault ZPDE 1937 by Labourdette for a circus !
1 point for  targhediferro  :)

Which circus was it ?  BTW, it is rather different from the ZPDE from 1936.  It looks more like a ZP
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Re: SAC#707 : mobile home Renault ZPDE 1937 by Labourdette
« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2014, 02:06:49 PM »
For the Spiessert's family of Pinder circus !

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Re: SAC#707 : mobile home Renault ZPDE 1937 by Labourdette
« Reply #46 on: May 27, 2014, 04:02:16 PM »
What an amazing "journey' this puzzle was.

Once we had established it was a circus bus, I fairly quickly found the two photos below of a Renault described on a "Pinder Enthusiast Site" as a ZPDF.

In all, I found 6 Pinder sites and perhaps another 6 just dealing with French circuses as well as 2 dealing with the Family Spiessert.  In spite of all of this, I was unable to find any complete link to Circus Pinder or Spiessert, just this comparison photo which did not have the Pinder name on it.

However, given my interest in military transport vehicles 1935-1945, I found an absolute gold mine of photos of Mack, International, Marmon Herrington, Diamond T and Dodge trucks that were purchased as "war surplus" and used as tow trucks and for other duties by French circuses well into the 1960's.  Three dozen photos and I am not finished yet.

I still have no photo of this bus with the Pinder name on it and multiple searches on the subject of Labourdette also failed to turn up any other photos of the bus.  But, I am still happy with all the other materiel the search brought me.

Bill
« Last Edit: May 28, 2014, 05:38:31 AM by Bill Murray »
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Re: SAC#707 : mobile home Renault ZPDE 1937 by Labourdette
« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2014, 01:07:06 PM »
Another ZPDF