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barrett's #380 - Solved - J D Hart's Ford-based trials car
« on: November 04, 2014, 07:12:05 PM »
Who built this car, and what is it based on?
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Re: barrett's #380
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2014, 01:31:04 PM »
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Re: barrett's #380
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2014, 07:35:30 AM »
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Re: barrett's #380
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2014, 07:58:49 AM »
It is Ford-based
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Re: barrett's #380
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2014, 08:01:59 AM »
Quote from: Wendax on November 30, 2014, 07:58:49 AM
It is Ford-based

Ford V8 flathead, I reckon!
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Re: barrett's #380
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2014, 05:45:22 AM »
No, 1938 Ford of 1498 cc capacity, which doesn't sound as if it were the original engine.
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Re: barrett's #380
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2014, 06:44:04 AM »
Quote from: Wendax on December 01, 2014, 05:45:22 AM
No, 1938 Ford of 1498 cc capacity, which doesn't sound as if it were the original engine.


1498cc would tally with the first Cortina engines, but this seems extremely unlikely. The puzzle photo looks like it's from the late 40s/early50s. The original Consul engine was 1508cc - this was introduced in 1950 and maybe this car has a linered-down engine from that model. A bit of an odd thing to do, when the flathead V8 was readily available.
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Re: barrett's #380
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2014, 05:07:09 AM »
Right, Ford-based special of the very early '50s. Not a V8. I'm surprised the registration still shows up anywhere, I would have thought it scrapped long before the computerisation of DVLA records!
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Re: barrett's #380
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2014, 06:13:20 AM »
Quote from: barrett on December 03, 2014, 05:07:09 AM
Right, Ford-based special of the very early '50s. Not a V8. I'm surprised the registration still shows up anywhere, I would have thought it scrapped long before the computerisation of DVLA records!

It could have been re-allocated as an "age-related" plate. I think if the present engine is quoted as 1498cc then it's a Kent motor from the 1960s. I have a hunch the present wearer of the plate is not the same car.  :'(
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Re: barrett's #380
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2014, 06:37:42 AM »
But it is listed as a 1938 car:

Vehicle details
12 Month rate: £0.00
 Vehicle make :FORD
 Date of first registration :02 March 1938
 Year of manufacture :1938
 Cylinder capacity (cc) :1498cc
 CO₂Emissions :Not available
 Fuel type :PETROL
 Export marker :No
 Vehicle status :SORN in place
 Vehicle colour :BLUE
 Vehicle type approval :Not available
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Re: barrett's #380
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2014, 06:59:23 AM »
Quote from: Wendax on December 03, 2014, 06:37:42 AM
But it is listed as a 1938 car:

Vehicle details
12 Month rate: £0.00
 Vehicle make :FORD
 Date of first registration :02 March 1938
 Year of manufacture :1938
 Cylinder capacity (cc) :1498cc
 CO₂Emissions :Not available
 Fuel type :PETROL
 Export marker :No
 Vehicle status :SORN in place
 Vehicle colour :BLUE
 Vehicle type approval :Not available

Thanks. I couldn't be bothered! I can't find any evidence of a Ford engine of that size in that period, so possibly someone has replaced it with a later engine in order to keep the car running.
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Re: barrett's #380
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2014, 07:32:43 AM »
Quote from: nicanary on December 03, 2014, 06:13:20 AM
Quote from: barrett on December 03, 2014, 05:07:09 AM
Right, Ford-based special of the very early '50s. Not a V8. I'm surprised the registration still shows up anywhere, I would have thought it scrapped long before the computerisation of DVLA records!

It could have been re-allocated as an "age-related" plate. I think if the present engine is quoted as 1498cc then it's a Kent motor from the 1960s. I have a hunch the present wearer of the plate is not the same car.  :'(

Registration numbers are never re-allocated except by special request and very much persuasion with proof that there is a very good reason to do so..
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Re: barrett's #380
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2014, 07:49:18 AM »
It's a Ford Ten based special built for trials...it was built in the North of England and bought by Mr. J.D. Hart to run in the 1951\52 season.
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Re: barrett's #380
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2014, 07:59:39 AM »
Aaah, another one from that online archive quite en vogue nowadays.  ;D
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Re: barrett's #380
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2014, 08:19:08 AM »
Quote from: Wendax on December 03, 2014, 07:59:39 AM
Aaah, another one from that online archive quite en vogue nowadays.  ;D

We shouldn't complain - it's been a new source for AP. Personally, I can't be bothered to look through it, but these photos make great puzzles. That car looked too big to me to be a 10hp sidevalve, I thought it was a V8.
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Re: barrett's #380
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2014, 08:21:31 AM »
I don't complain! I was using some other archives myself until all puzzles from there were solved instantly by another puzzler who worked himself through that one, too.  ;)
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Re: barrett's #380
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2014, 05:53:01 AM »
Bumped for a reply to post #12.
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Re: barrett's #380
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2014, 06:47:07 AM »
First time I've been able to check my files - yes, it's J D Hart's ford-based trials car!
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